[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

I'd still like to see base zl1 vs base gt500, since the base zl1 is quicker apparently in a10 form and the base gt500 has been slower than the cftp in street testing it might be close at 11.5 or so with the gt500 probably trapping 5mph more.

Most likely the standard ZL1 will outrun the Base GT500 in the quarter mile. So I doubt we will ever see that battle.

Originally Posted by Evansa22

Because for most people who actually want to buy these cars, price is one of the most important factors. Its value for your dollar, and $25k is nothing to scoff at. It could potentially put it out of your price range.

Pricing never matters to the people who aren't buying one. Or to those who are waiting 5 years and praying and hoping it will drop to a price they can afford by then. LOL!!

[TreedYou]

Originally Posted by minn19

I’ve got a good idea who he is.

Another tin foil hatter? You guys are pretty hilarious.
I'd love to hear this one though... shoot!

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by TreedYou

Another tin foil hatter? You guys are pretty hilarious.

You are completely uninteresting. A nag and a bore.

[TreedYou]

Originally Posted by hotlap

You are completely uninteresting. A nag and a bore.

OK

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by TreedYou

OK

You don’t share data, analysis or have anything interesting to say. You literally came here to make snippy comments to a guy that does (Blaq). Go away.

[TreedYou]

Originally Posted by hotlap

You don’t share data, analysis or have anything interesting to say. You literally came here to make snippy comments to a guy that does (Blaq). Go away.

Go away? who the hell are you buddy!? LOLOLOL!!!!

[BlaqWhole]

It's pretty impressive to see the ZL1 sticking that close to a 10.6 second car. LOL!!

Originally Posted by minn19

That’s why it is useless to talk to people like you. I never brought up magazine times to you. I quoted you about a completely different topic, which you ignored to bring up/start this weird diatribe.

You buy used cars and don’t quote magazine times. Good for you, why even bother posting in this thread at all then?

Originally Posted by hotlap

You don’t share data, analysis or have anything interesting to say. You literally came here to make snippy comments to a guy that does (Blaq). Go away.

They keep sending them over here and we keep sending them right back, lol!!

[bradmo9]

Pretty impressed the GT500 gapped the zl1 pretty bad every time.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

It's pretty impressive to see the ZL1 sticking that close to a 10.6 second car. LOL!!



They keep sending them over here and we keep sending them right back, lol!!

[minn19]

Originally Posted by bradmo9

Pretty impressed the GT500 gapped the zl1 pretty bad every time.

Why, did you guys really expect something different? Had the GT500 not beat an older platform, especially the road course version in a drag race that would've surprised me much more.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by bradmo9

Pretty impressed the GT500 gapped the zl1 pretty bad every time.

Impressed enough that you're going to buy one??

Ford has proven that they can win in at least one area (and most times in ONLY one area) when they have every advantage stacked in their favor. This time they had several advantages and at best they could only do about 3 tenths better. That is NOT impressive. Or you're just easily impressed maybe. Because something is seriously wrong with that car if the best they can get is 11.3 with 760 HP considering the weight.

[TheRealJA105]

Originally Posted by shaffe

It probably would be, but I think with this test from C&D we see that the 350 still put a 2 second gap on it, and was much better controlled through out so I think it would be safe.

To your second point, that's not true. This C&D third review of the updated 350 in like the last 4 months. It's gone up against now the PP2, Supra, M2, and 718 Cayman

I think with the ZLE A10, they did it because they had to with the GT500 being DCT. It will be interesting to see if they go that route with the SSLE as well.

While it would be cool to get the SSLE wheels and tires on the A10LT1 I think that would probably send it's cost to deep into SS range and kind of defeat the purpose of it.

Yes 2 seconds is significant. I kind of wish GM would add more variants/options kind of like what I'm saying with the 1LE wheels & tires. While that option may put an LT1 into SS price range, I'm saying it should also be an SS/V6/I4 option. If you want a stock LT1 for the lightest drag racing configuration, but know you need wider wheels and tires, someone may opt for it. It makes more sense to just buy rear 17x10.5s and throw drag radials on, but then it's "not stock"... If your autocrossing a V6 or I4 1LE then you could also definitely use more tire.
Sorry I guess I haven't been following all the GT350 reviews.

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

So we finally know what it takes to beat a ZL1...a $94K 760 HP Mustang. LOL!! For the ZL1 to be the cheapest and most underpowered yet not come in last says a lot. And I think we all know what will happen around a track. All in all the ZL1 is still the best value by far.

Additionally, I think a standard ZL1 would have been within 2 tenths of the 500 or right even. If it was the Base 500 then it would have been even closer. Also I did not expect the Redeye to do well at all with those Pirelli tires. So the results are pretty much as expected.

You get it with the Redeye and the tires, but idk why you don't understand that the 3Rs are a huge tire advantage over the 3s and will result in a better 1/4 mile time on an unprepped surface. Ok another GM option, ZLE wheels & tires on ZL1s!
Yes we NEED this track test! #fingerscrossed

Originally Posted by TreedYou

That pricing obsession tho

Originally Posted by minn19

Agreed, but it is a legit topic when it comes to these cars.

A 75 - 95k GT500/GT500 CFTP vs 60 - 70k ZL1/ZL1 1LE is one conversation.

100k - 140k GT500/GT500 CFTP vs 60 -70k ZL1/ZL1 1LE is an entirely different one.

Sure wait until they are irrelevant like the GT350R is vs it’s competitors performance wise, but you can now get them under MSRP. If that is what you want, patience worked out I guess.

I was going to reply to TreedYou about the massive price difference, but you guys covered it well.

Originally Posted by TreedYou

Compare the cars and accept the results, they are just cars!
You have people in this thread that have never been to a road course talking about racing on tracks...
Makes me think of when people bring up the nerdburgring as if they are EVER GOING TO GO THERE!! lol
You know what I like? "WHAT DOES YOUR CAR RUN??" that's it... it's all great quoting magazines from sofa's behind computers but it gets corny fast in real life.

I hate when non road course people talk about stuff they don't understand, but I'm a road course guy. Magazine head to heads are the best comparisons we get. If I ever see a GT500 on the track I can almost guarantee the driver won't be as good as me and I'll get video of me passing him for you. Does that mean my supercharged SS is better than a GT500? Hell no!

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

I'd still like to see base zl1 vs base gt500, since the base zl1 is quicker apparently in a10 form and the base gt500 has been slower than the cftp in street testing it might be close at 11.5 or so with the gt500 probably trapping 5mph more.

I still think on unprepped surface it's been proven that 3Rs win.

Originally Posted by minn19

You are mixing in all kinds of different topics here and contradicting yourself.

Funny you pull the magazine racer line the M6G guys love to say, but don’t have a ZL1/ZLE or GT500 (unless your car list isn’t up to date) so all you can do is quote magazine times as well from your sofa/computer.

Just because you don’t buy new doesn’t make the current market prices of the cars being discussed and their price to performance dollar a non topic. You do the same thing just in the used market.

Minn for the win again

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Most likely the standard ZL1 will outrun the Base GT500 in the quarter mile. So I doubt we will ever see that battle.

Disagree - this isn't going to happen even in ZL1 ideal conditions. The GT500 makes much less torque at launch RPM than the ZL1 = better launches and then it's HP to weight and DCT advantage takes over.

GT500 will be the faster 1/4 mile car in all "real" scenarios, all things being equal.

The video I posted was in my anticipation of the road course testing. Yes I go to the road course, yes I go to drag race tracks. Yes the 3 cars in the video are the road course packages for their respective platforms. What I am looking forward to, is seeing how the A10 ZLE stacks up against a CFTP GT500. Yes price is a factor - if it wasn't, no one would argue to buy used over new...

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

Disagree - this isn't going to happen even in ZL1 ideal conditions. The GT500 makes much less torque at launch RPM than the ZL1 = better launches and then it's HP to weight and DCT advantage takes over.

GT500 will be the faster 1/4 mile car in all "real" scenarios, all things being equal.

The video I posted was in my anticipation of the road course testing. Yes I go to the road course, yes I go to drag race tracks. Yes the 3 cars in the video are the road course packages for their respective platforms. What I am looking forward to, is seeing how the A10 ZLE stacks up against a CFTP GT500. Yes price is a factor - if it wasn't, no one would argue to buy used over new...

The ZL1 COULD beat the Base 500 in the quarter. I'm not saying it "will". I'm saying it "could". The Base has done 11.5 while the standard ZL1 has done 11.4. So it is possible that the ZL1 can manage a win against a Base GT500. Remember, the 500 is affected more by conditions than the ZL1.

[TheRealJA105]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

Disagree - this isn't going to happen even in ZL1 ideal conditions. The GT500 makes much less torque at launch RPM than the ZL1 = better launches and then it's HP to weight and DCT advantage takes over.

GT500 will be the faster 1/4 mile car in all "real" scenarios, all things being equal.

The video I posted was in my anticipation of the road course testing. Yes I go to the road course, yes I go to drag race tracks. Yes the 3 cars in the video are the road course packages for their respective platforms. What I am looking forward to, is seeing how the A10 ZLE stacks up against a CFTP GT500. Yes price is a factor - if it wasn't, no one would argue to buy used over new...

GT500s launch control also appears to be a good launch control system where the Camaro and Hellcat systems are garbage. Hopefully we see an SRT Redeye ACR soon. I wanna know what SRT can do with that fat pig.