[shaffe]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

In the comparison they were talking about the GT500's interior up against the C8's interior tho. In which case the C8 at the price they tested it out at had a great interior. The GT500 at around the same C8 price had an interior that you would expect to see in a $30K Mustang. Matter of fact I think it was the 3LT they were comparing it to. And they upgraded the seats in the C8 if I'm correct. And the GT500 was around the same price but considerably lower quality.

In the case of the ZL1 tho, the ZL1 does not get as high in price as the GT500. And unless you add in BS stuff there is no way to get the ZL1 close to what a GT500 costs. On top of that the difference is that the GT gets downgraded lower trim level Mustang quality interior components while the lower trim level Camaros get upgraded ZL1 quality interior components. So the ZL1 is comparable to the SS because the SS is just that good. The SS is actually upgraded. The GT500 is comparable to the GT and lower trims because it is getting downgraded. And I assume that is because they had to sacrifice certain things to try to keep the costs lower.

I am not disagreeing with you at all. The point is very valid, especially when compared to to the C8. All I was saying was that that is a complaint that also registers with the ZL1. Some people were making it out like the ZL1 interior is like an Escalade levels of niceness compared to a SS or LT Camaro when that is not the case. or at least acting like it's an issue specific to the Mustang would probably be the better way to word it


Or at least to me it's a valid argument as well because none of the 3 pony cars interiors are what I would call impressive, especially once you get into the high dollar models.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by shaffe

I am not disagreeing with you at all. The point is very valid, especially when compared to to the C8. All I was saying was that that is a complaint that also registers with the ZL1. Some people were making it out like the ZL1 interior is like an Escalade levels of niceness compared to a SS or LT Camaro when that is not the case. or at least acting like it's an issue specific to the Mustang would probably be the better way to word it


Or at least to me it's a valid argument as well because none of the 3 pony cars interiors are what I would call impressive, especially once you get into the high dollar models.

I think it is safe to say if a really nice interior is what you are after in your sports car, than a pony car isn't what you are after as that isn't what they are about.

I will say after owning a GT350 and now a ZLE that the ZLE is noticeably nicer with more thought out touches/options (though it still has a lot of cheap plastic/chintzy switch gear etc). The GT350 was fine though and it didn't bother me at all.

I do agree though that at a 100k (CFTP/base + ADM) the GT500 should be a lot nicer.

The only thing that really bugs me about my ZLE and the C8 is the steering wheel. I don't know why Chevrolet/GM has such a hard time making a decent looking one. Odd, I know, but we all have out nitpicks.

[SlitherByU]

Originally Posted by Fast02Z06

If I were a ford guy I’d get a base A10 5.0, toss on a blower, add roush suspension and be done for 45k max. 48k with headers e85 and a tune and be good vs a gt500.

But you're not. The actual "Ford" guy who is in the market for GT500 knows he can Frankenstein a 5.0 to beat a lot of things but instead opts for the GT500 because it's all about the VIN number.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by minn19

I think it is safe to say if a really nice interior is what you are after in your sports car, than a pony car isn't what you are after as that isn't what they are about.

I will say after owning a GT350 and now a ZLE that the ZLE is noticeably nicer with more thought out touches/options (though it still has a lot of cheap plastic/chintzy switch gear etc). The GT350 was fine though and it didn't bother me at all.

I do agree though that at a 100k (CFTP/base + ADM) the GT500 should be a lot nicer.

The only thing that really bugs me about my ZLE and the C8 is the steering wheel. I don't know why Chevrolet/GM has such a hard time making a decent looking one. Odd, I know, but we all have out nitpicks.

agree on the wanting a nice interior a pony car probably not the right choice.

[Fraxum]

Originally Posted by shaffe

I am not disagreeing with you at all. The point is very valid, especially when compared to to the C8. All I was saying was that that is a complaint that also registers with the ZL1. Some people were making it out like the ZL1 interior is like an Escalade levels of niceness compared to a SS or LT Camaro when that is not the case. or at least acting like it's an issue specific to the Mustang would probably be the better way to word it

With the Recaros my 34K$ base LT1 interior will look about as good as my ZL1 including red seat belts. But really my opinion is the stlying of the CA6 interior is way more plain than the Camaro 5th gen. But the materials are a bit better. Still a miss to me.

Mustangs interiors are more attractive to me as they remind me more of old mustangs. I just dont get the nacell hump over the steering wheel on the Camaro. The only cool thing about the CA6 Camaro interior is the Audi like HVAC vent dials. The wierdly slanted screen? Really? The cramped interior serves a purpose. It is very boxed in to have less flex and better connects the driver to what the car is telling you.

Forgetting interior looks the Camaro has the most comfortable seats over the others excluding the C8. An unknown to me. And again excluding the C8 the Camaro is the best street driving/handling of the others. I know the new GT500 may be as good on track as is the ZL1LE. But street handling feel is very different than all out track numbers. My ZL1 felt more sluggish than my '16 SS. More exciting for sure but not as responsive. It's s weight thing.

Camaro, Best driver, best seats to me. Insert any engine. And at $26K the base I4 is an aluminium Cadlillac chassis steal. is there a better performance car at that price point?

I sound like a fan boy. Somebody stop me.

[Fast02Z06]

Originally Posted by SlitherByU

But you're not. The actual "Ford" guy who is in the market for GT500 knows he can Frankenstein a 5.0 to beat a lot of things but instead opts for the GT500 because it's all about the VIN number.

So you think you have me figured out eh? I have several cars of various brands sir. My CURRENT garage includes a C7Z, Zl1, and a 2016 s550 A6. I work at a speed shop in Houston and we build some decent stuff. Not all Ford guys are about the vin number if they are after Mexico fun runs and kicking ass (the customers that mostly visit us). Speak for yourself and not the whole community

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by SlitherByU

But you're not. The actual "Ford" guy who is in the market for GT500 knows he can Frankenstein a 5.0 to beat a lot of things but instead opts for the GT500 because it's all about the VIN number.

Plenty of smart money conscious Ford guys would build a GT to smash a lot of top dollar cars over getting a gt500. A Shelby nutt hugger wouldn't, but a lot of sensible ford/Mustang guys would.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Pretty consistent power. 663 and 662 on the second run for this all stock no octane booster gt500 dyno run. Pretty damn good, and they waited the 100 adviced break in miles before doing a pull.... also they're doing a give away, on a car a Stangmode admits to having adm's of 50 and 100k! Usually youtuber giveaways don't get my attention but this one is pretty good.

https://youtu.be/doTw0OaDttY

[RobbyBeefcake87]

This is the guy who was discussed before with the gt500 having the missfires... his gt500 continues to have multiple issues, but this moron probably didn't give his car the best chance possible when he's trying to give it the beans while the car only has 74 miles on it.

Interestingly enough, even though this guys channel sucks, he mentions a tsb that's already out for the gt500. An ecu reflash to deal with the missfires.

https://youtu.be/9LHfsBsGT_I

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by SlitherByU

But you're not. The actual "Ford" guy who is in the market for GT500 knows he can Frankenstein a 5.0 to beat a lot of things but instead opts for the GT500 because it's all about the VIN number.

Ford guy? or guy looking to buy “special”?

What percentage of those VIN buying GT500 owners won’t even drive the car?

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by SlitherByU

But you're not. The actual "Ford" guy who is in the market for GT500 knows he can Frankenstein a 5.0 to beat a lot of things but instead opts for the GT500 because it's all about the VIN number.

If there looking at vin numbers to buy, it will be a garage queen and only come out on nice days to show off and say, look what I got. Will most likely only put a couple thousand miles on it a year to hold value. But what good is that?

[BlaqWhole]

You guys have to remember this is all coming from someone who bought the most expensive 12 sec performance car on the planet. LOL!! Ok just kidding.

A person who owns a GT500 probably couldn't care less what a supercharged Mustnag GT can do. It's just a GT after all. And that goes especially true for the CF version. That thing is soo expensive that most who are buying it probably aren't even Mustang guys to begin with. On the other hand someone who can't afford it (most of the Mustang community that is) and would rather mod a GT would probably brag about how their stripped down base model GT with a blower on it and DRs and a drag pack cost them $36K total and can beat a GT500 in a straight line but nothing else. 7 Years ago I would rather be the guy who mods a car. These days I'd rather be the guy who buys the GT500.

[Fast02Z06]

I’m fairly financially comfortable (could definitely buy a gt500) but I’m a cheapskate and don’t believe in wasting my $. So in my eyes why buy a 500 for idk 80k ish and get outperformed by essentially the same car in lower trim for half the cost. Now don’t get me wrong if the 500 was untouchable compared to the stock 5.0 then yes I would score a 500. Bragging rights in my book are earned by who brings home the W’s not what costs more. I would just buy a true collectors car or a rare painting if I wanted to stare at something in my garage or home to say I have it and hope it appreciates in value.

[SlitherByU]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

You guys have to remember this is all coming from someone who bought the most expensive 12 sec performance car on the planet. LOL!! Ok just kidding.

A person who owns a GT500 probably couldn't care less what a supercharged Mustnag GT can do. It's just a GT after all. And that goes especially true for the CF version. That thing is soo expensive that most who are buying it probably aren't even Mustang guys to begin with. On the other hand someone who can't afford it (most of the Mustang community that is) and would rather mod a GT would probably brag about how their stripped down base model GT with a blower on it and DRs and a drag pack cost them $36K total and can beat a GT500 in a straight line but nothing else. 7 Years ago I would rather be the guy who mods a car. These days I'd rather be the guy who buys the GT500.

You're starting to make some sense.

As for the R, I didn't buy it for the 1/4 mile. I've had plenty of faster cars. To include a 2k SS modified, 16 HC Challenger, and 14 GT500 modified. I currently have a Z51 C7 M7 next to my R as well. All bought new but all missing that something extra. All lacking something to me in one way or another. I've not reached that feeling with my R where it lacks so much of anything that I've grown dissatisfied with it. It could use a little more low end but not so much lacking to me that it's an issue. The 4k rise to 8250 redline more than makes up for that. It's special. It sounds special. It drives and performs special. It's VIN and dash plate say it is special. It has special equipment around it. Equipment that will not be handed down to lesser models thus diluting the GT350R model. Believe me I have analyzed and continue to analyze the 2020 GT500. The allure of the power and handling together is great. But at the end of summary, I still find in favor of my R. Ford will make 5k GT500's a year. There are likely just less than 4k GT350R's produced over a 6 year run from 2015-2020. I honestly feel more fortunate to own an R than I would if I traded it for 20 GT500. The R is for the connoisseur of driving. The purist.