[newmoon]

Originally Posted by Memphis43

Guys, think about this, you are down 70hp. You have only 25tq on the 350.

They weigh the same most likely. 19 inch wheels with 10 inch wide on the front and 11 inch wide on the rear.

You got more rubber less rotational mass and a high strung engine.

I've seen the graphs and stuff. But with all this considered if the 1le keeps up with the gt350 stock for stock it will be magical.


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70hp and 25tq I doubt will make a difference, IMO this new 1LE will beat the standard GT350, and will take on the TP.

[hotlap]

Al O spoke to the will it beat the GT350 question.

Chevy has a history of outperforming more powerful and lighter Fords on the track. This time weight won't be a disadvantage. It will be interesting

Mustang versus Camaro, Camaro versus Mustang. It’s an ongoing battle fought at drag strips, stop lights and various road courses across the United States. The latest shots were fired in the Windy City after Chevrolet revealed the 2017 Camaro 1LE in both a V6 variant and traditional V8-powered package.
During our time to chat with Al Oppenheiser, chief Camaro engineer, we got right down to business and asked what everyone wants to know: will the 2017 Camaro SS 1LE outperform the Shelby GT350?
“That’s obviously our intent. I have the answer, but I’ll let the rest of you decide how we did. Our goal is to up the game with our competitor, just like they upped the game with the GT350. Everyone had to expect we would punch back. I will tell you this car is three seconds faster than the previous 1LE. Your readers can go out and make their own conclusions,” Oppenheiser stated in utmost confidence.
It surely sounds like the GT350 is going to have something more to worry about when the 1LE hits the streets later this year, especially knowing the Camaro team benchmarked the hopped up Mustang.
“We’re plowing new ground with the V6 1LE, and for the SS 1LE, our initial target benchmark was the fifth-generation 1LE. But, obviously, Ford came out with their GT350 and we changed our sights. We’re not worried,” he added.
And so the battle continues.

Read more: http://gmauthority.com/blog/2016/02/...#ixzz409GtB5gI

[Bosse'sBoss]

I really think that:
-Camaro SS 6th. gen will generate = or faster lap times than the GT350.
-2017 Camaro SS 1LE would be faster than the GT350 w/. Perf. Package.
- GM still does not have any Camaro that could match the GT350R at this time.

[IOMike]

People that think the gt350 has a huge advantage due to more power need to look at the acceleration times between the SS and GT350. It's not faster.

[Norm Peterson]

Don't use standing start ET's or zero-to-speed timing for any car that's been optimized (or maybe only tweaked some) for road course running. It's no more relevant than discussing acceleration between 125 and 140 for a drag car that traps in the one-teens.


Norm

[sycraft]

Originally Posted by Bosse'sBoss

I really think that:
-Camaro SS 6th. gen will generate = or faster lap times than the GT350.
-2017 Camaro SS 1LE would be faster than the GT350 w/. Perf. Package.
- GM still does not have any Camaro that could match the GT350R at this time.

GT350R will arrive in as little as 500 cars per year.

not really a comparison, both economically or production wise....

[mcsoul]

GT350R is faster - really where's yours? Where is one that is driven around town?

They are going to be a mythical beast, 90% garage queens.

[Blackdevil77]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

Don't use standing start ET's or zero-to-speed timing for any car that's been optimized (or maybe only tweaked some) for road course running. It's no more relevant than discussing acceleration between 125 and 140 for a drag car that traps in the one-teens.


Norm

Exactly. The GT350 traps higher in the 1/4 even though the time is the same. The GT350 will out accelerate the Camaro on the straights. Look at the Hennessy acceleration videos for the Camaro and the GT350. While the Camaro SS is incredible and certainly a substantial improvement over the last SS, the GT350 will still pull ahead on the straights. The SS is actually very close to the GT350 in the handling department according to motor trends tests results. I'm sure the 1LE will out handle a GT350 NON R.

Imagine the 1LE with a power bump? That would change the game completely

[hotlap]

Without regard to how this all turns out, it will be nice to see the TP and R at better documented tracks than Chuckwalla. Time to come out and play

[titanfan]

Originally Posted by mcsoul

GT350R is faster - really where's yours? Where is one that is driven around town?

They are going to be a mythical beast, 90% garage queens.

There's one here in middle TN that a guy drives all the time. I had a chance to see the car at Cars & Coffee last weekend and everybody who knows the owner said he's owned a lot of special cars and none of them were ever garage queens. His R was only a week old and had 500 miles on it.

[90503]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

The 5th gen 1LE ran a 1:22.xx at Willow Springs with Randy Pobst. If the 6th gen SS is faster, the 6th gen 1LE should be low 1:19.xx or even 1:18.xx.

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

Without regard to how this all turns out, it will be nice to see the TP and R at better documented tracks than Chuckwalla. Time to come out and play

The only two tracks that I've noticed that seem to be the "standard" for track times are Nurburgring and Laguna Seca. Those seem to get the most attention and get all the makes and models for comparison at some point.

Other tracks don't have the over-all variety of speed and cornering as much as those two. All tracks have something to offer, but you'll probably never see all models compared at all tracks. Magazines and manufacturers can jump around and make claims and show results, but if all haven't been to a certain track, it just makes for publicity, speculation and temporary interest...

[titanfan]

Originally Posted by 90503

The only two tracks that I've noticed that seem to be the "standard" for track times are Nurburgring and Laguna Seca. Those seem to get the most attention and get all the makes and models for comparison at some point.

Other tracks don't have the over-all variety of speed and cornering as much as those two. All tracks have something to offer, but you'll probably never see all models compared at all tracks. Magazines and manufacturers can jump around and make claims and show results, but if all haven't been to a certain track, it just makes for publicity, speculation and temporary interest...

Bingo. Track times are simply talking points for enthusiasts who may never put a car on any track ever in their lifetime and the comparisons serve to drive people to specific magazines/websites. I imagine there are a lot of people who are simply buying the GT350 because it is the current "hot thing", not because they care about its track performance. I suspect the same will hold true for those buying a SS with the 1LE option. In the real world, either of these cars, driven by 99% of owners, will be able to outpace the other any given day, as very few people will be able maximize the limits of what these cars can do.

[Bosse'sBoss]

Originally Posted by 90503

The only two tracks that I've noticed that seem to be the "standard" for track times are Nurburgring and Laguna Seca. Those seem to get the most attention and get all the makes and models for comparison at some point.

Other tracks don't have the over-all variety of speed and cornering as much as those two. All tracks have something to offer, but you'll probably never see all models compared at all tracks. Magazines and manufacturers can jump around and make claims and show results, but if all haven't been to a certain track, it just makes for publicity, speculation and temporary interest...

Also VIR and TG track

[Bosse'sBoss]

Originally Posted by mcsoul

GT350R is faster - really where's yours? Where is one that is driven around town?

They are going to be a mythical beast, 90% garage queens.

In that case the Z28 is in the same segment