[ZRacerLE]

Originally Posted by 13vertss

But, is that worth 10 to 12 K?

Probably not. Rather spend that on driver mod as that would be the most fun anyways.

[TreedYou]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I just see a lot of faults with it. It isn't the "Supercar" that people try to make it out to be. The real question tho, is why you care what I (we) say over here about the Mustang. Does it bother you that much? This is one thread in an entire forum and I am just one member out of thousands. So why out of all that are you particularly bothered by me on this thread? LOL!!

Because it's a car, not a person. You talk about it like it dissed your mother and apparently even with all the reasons you're listing it's going to sell out so it's really just all a cry fest for no reason when nobody is NOT buying the car.
Why is it selling? Why are people excited about it if it's such a complete and utter failure of modern engineering? You're clearly just mad that it's popular. (NOBODY IS IGNORING THE CORVETTE)
Is it true or are you just mad about a car you don't like and hate that it's actually putting up decent numbers? Bias is OK but damn you're like an extremist.

I'd rather read about the performance and actual comparisons, and unfortunately you stay FAR OUT among the people that won't stop attacking the car so to "just ignore my posts bro" is a bit hard.

I do think some of your posts are informative but you will NOT stop posting about the price and you pepper it in to literally every post you make and it's on repeat.
And no I don't think blocking you is worth it (if that was your next suggestion), I may just try to skip over anything you post where I see "$" as content lol.
I THINK YOUR MESSAGE IS CLEAR BY NOW, let's talk about what the cars do instead of how badly you hate one of them and all of your money theories.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by TreedYou

Because it's a car, not a person. You talk about it like it dissed your mother and apparently even with all the reasons you're listing it's going to sell out so it's really just all a cry fest for no reason when nobody is NOT buying the car.
Why is it selling? Why are people excited about it if it's such a complete and utter failure of modern engineering? You're clearly just mad that it's popular. (NOBODY IS IGNORING THE CORVETTE)
Is it true or are you just mad about a car you don't like and hate that it's actually putting up decent numbers? Bias is OK but damn you're like an extremist.

I'd rather read about the performance and actual comparisons, and unfortunately you stay FAR OUT among the people that won't stop attacking the car so to "just ignore my posts bro" is a bit hard.

I do think some of your posts are informative but you will NOT stop posting about the price and you pepper it in to literally every post you make and it's on repeat.
And no I don't think blocking you is worth it (if that was your next suggestion), I may just try to skip over anything you post where I see "$" as content lol.
I THINK YOUR MESSAGE IS CLEAR BY NOW, let's talk about what the cars do instead of how badly you hate one of them and all of your money theories.

LOL, I am pretty sure 35 of your 36 posts were directed at him. I know your first one was. Get over it dude. Follow your own advice and let it go.

[TreedYou]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

LOL, I am pretty sure 35 of your 36 posts were directed at him. I know your first one was. Get over it dude. Follow your own advice and let it go.

But I'm interested in it on a psychological level

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by 13vertss

But, is that worth 10 to 12 K?

In this comparison, the $18,500 CFTP option improved the lap time 3.38 seconds over the base GT500. How much of that gain is rims ...vs tires, etc.?

I’d guess the majority is rims and tires. How much rims %, how much tires %

[13vertss]

Originally Posted by hotlap

In this comparison, the $18,500 CFTP option improved the lap time 3.38 seconds over the base GT500. How much of that gain is rims ...vs tires, etc.?

I’d guess the majority is rims and tires. How much rims %, how much tires %

My guess, 1/2 that time is the tires. 1/4 would be wheels and the other 1/4 would be aero and suspension. But of that $18,500, about 10-12 are the wheels if not more. Big price for 1 sec.

[ZRacerLE]

Originally Posted by hotlap

In this comparison, the $18,500 CFTP option improved the lap time 3.38 seconds over the base GT500. How much of that gain is rims ...vs tires, etc.?

I’d guess the majority is rims and tires. How much rims %, how much tires %

I believe a large percentage of that is stiffening of the suspension bits like they do with the 1le. Speaking with my M6G brethren, it sounds like it's almost the same 1le upgrade minus the racing dampers

[Chadicus]

Originally Posted by hotlap

In this comparison, the $18,500 CFTP option improved the lap time 3.38 seconds over the base GT500. How much of that gain is rims ...vs tires, etc.?

I’d guess the majority is rims and tires. How much rims %, how much tires %

3 seconds is a lot. I assume the aero and suspension tuning are a large chunk of that as well. If carbon fiber wheels alone cut off a second (just a guess) is it worth the money? I cant see it being worth it but that's just me.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by TreedYou

Because it's a car, not a person. You talk about it like it dissed your mother and apparently even with all the reasons you're listing it's going to sell out so it's really just all a cry fest for no reason when nobody is NOT buying the car.
Why is it selling? Why are people excited about it if it's such a complete and utter failure of modern engineering? You're clearly just mad that it's popular. (NOBODY IS IGNORING THE CORVETTE)
Is it true or are you just mad about a car you don't like and hate that it's actually putting up decent numbers? Bias is OK but damn you're like an extremist.

I'd rather read about the performance and actual comparisons, and unfortunately you stay FAR OUT among the people that won't stop attacking the car so to "just ignore my posts bro" is a bit hard.

I do think some of your posts are informative but you will NOT stop posting about the price and you pepper it in to literally every post you make and it's on repeat.
And no I don't think blocking you is worth it (if that was your next suggestion), I may just try to skip over anything you post where I see "$" as content lol.
I THINK YOUR MESSAGE IS CLEAR BY NOW, let's talk about what the cars do instead of how badly you hate one of them and all of your money theories.

Again, an entire forum and you find yourself on this particular thread addressing me in particular. Yet I gotta read about how dissatisfied you are with the content of my posts? That's a gas. Did you once question GSJ about why he had such a hard on for criticizing the Camaro and COrvette or us "magazine racers"? No. You didn't. Yet he day in and day out came in here repeating himself over and over and trolling and insulting people and bullying and making up lies about everything to the point that his ass got banned. Yet even despite his overwhelming disrespectful behavior, you not once confronted him. Yet you're confronting me. Why is that? Same with newmoon...he has countless times said the same thing over and over and over and over again to the point where several people can't stand him. It took me and a couple others to defend him and actually compliment him...to which he never even acknowledged it which shows his true character. Yet not once did you confront him about any of his trolling. So who are you to question or challenge me? I make my statements. But then I also offer insight and ask provocative questions and start interesting side debates and constantly contribute to our little community here. What have you done besides starting shit with me? At least when shaffe addresses me he offers info that makes us all think. And he at least counters most of my comments quite effectively. And we have good back and forth dialogs and have been doing so for at least 2 years now. You on the other hand just showed up here out of the blue like 3 weeks ago just to start a fight.

What bothers you isn't the content but the way I say it. So here is what I noticed earlier. In post #5853 Martin quoted me (and a few others) and basically confirmed my statements. And your immediate reply was "Great post with good info, you add value every time you post and have a good attitude about it all."

However, your reply to me on the very same post that Martin quoted (which you agreed with) was "I love how you speak as if what you say are facts, I am glad that you are confident and are able to convince yourself that DA and track prep doesn't affect your preferred cars. Not even your delusion can't break the laws of physics." So you just don't like it when I say things because I add some punch to it and it stings.

[RLHMARINES]

I do believe the carbon fiber wheels help the Mustang accelerate faster especially out of a corner with regards to the improvement in rotational mass at the wheels.

I remember an article that focuses on the difference using the same car and only changing the wheels from carbon fiber to forged but like others have said its a big part of the total equation that Ford has used to try and beat the ZL1/ZLE on track.

Ford has had at least 3 1/2 model years of benchmarking the ZL1/ZLE so I expect these cars to be faster with the 100 extra power but they do come in at a higher weight. We will soon see how good of a job Ford did with the extra time and power.

[ZRacerLE]

Originally Posted by RLHMARINES

I do believe the carbon fiber wheels help the Mustang accelerate faster especially out of a corner with regards to the improvement in rotational mass at the wheels.

I remember an article that focuses on the difference using the same car and only changing the wheels from carbon fiber to forged but like others have said its a big part of the total equation that Ford has used to try and beat the ZL1/ZLE on track.

Ford has had at least 3 1/2 model years of benchmarking the ZL1/ZLE so I expect these cars to be faster with the 100 extra power but they do come in at a higher weight. We will soon see how good of a job Ford did with the extra time and power.

Another pretty cool effect of the ultra light mass at the end of the spring and damper is that the tire regains contact with the ground quicker after a bump or weight shift increasing the average contact patch through a cornering or braking event. Would love to see some scientific benchmarking of just a wheel swap...

[minn19]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Good point wrt the “Triple Threat” strategy. That sums it up well. At least for the ZL1. I think ZLE is taking the velvet glove off of the iron fist. Perfect for some, too much of a good thing for others. As much as I like doing road course, I don’t do it enough to warrant the ride quality trade off of a ZLE.

I can assure you, GT500 was not a 2017 afterthought by Ford. My intel team had photos of camo cars as early as 2014 or 15. I am very sure it was delayed at least once, more than likely twice. One of those times being to accommodate the switch in plans from 10AT to 7DCT. I would also not be too surprised if the delays allowed for more precise benchmarking of ZL1. This is why I expect GT500 to beat ZL1 at most things.

Ford has had the time to ensure that. The one area where they may not have been able to ring the bell is on tight road courses. There’s only so much you can do with a legacy chassis without adding more mass. The CF wheels definitely help, both in reducing unsprung mass and in reducing total mass to a level where adding additional chassis stiffening is offset by the reduced wheel mass. We’ll see when more head to head tests surface.

Have they benchmarked how not to overspray a new car and learn how to do consistent panel gaps/non sagging bumpers, have their dealers install a splitter corectly etc? I mean it has only been a 100 plus years or so for them to practice how to build a car. Kidding aside, I'm legit curious to see how the initial build quality is on the GT500.

I couldn't resist, even if true. I just had some fun with an old friend over on M6G!

[Rodan]

Originally Posted by ZRacerLE

...Would love to see some scientific benchmarking of just a wheel swap...

https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/ar...really-better/

Light, low HP car, but that's where wheel weight would make the most difference. Also note, the light wheels are ~30% lighter than the heavy wheels. That's a LOT.

A 30% reduction in wheel/tire weight would be almost 20lbs on a ZL1, for example.

[ZRacerLE]

Originally Posted by Rodan

https://grassrootsmotorsports.com/ar...really-better/

Light, low HP car, but that's where wheel weight would make the most difference. Also note, the light wheels are ~30% lighter than the heavy wheels. That's a LOT.

A 30% reduction in wheel/tire weight would be almost 20lbs on a ZL1, for example.

Nice find!

So not nearly as much of a factor as better tires I see... and even less of an effect I bet on a high hp, big brake car like a ZL1 or GT500.