[crankaholic]

I think there's some wishful thinking regarding the 1LE getting within 2 seconds of Z/28 (and the GT350R by extension) simply because those cars have MUCH stickier tires and serious aero.

I think the 1LE will have similar performance to the gen5 ZL1, which was 3 seconds faster around VIR than the gen5 1LE. To come close to the Z/28, the new 1LE has to be 10 full seconds faster than the last gen 1LE - and, according to Chevy, the new SS (which is supposed to have similar lap times to the gen5 1LE) <- unless I'm getting this wrong and they said ZL1..?

C&D VIR lap times
gen5 Z/28 - 2:50.9
gen5 ZL1 - 2:57.5 ... gen6 1LE +/- 0.5sec (?)
(edit) ATS-V - 2:59.2
(edit) M4 - 3:00.7 ... I doubt the SS will "destroy" the M4, maybe beat by a couple of tenths
gen5 1LE - 3:01.5 ... gen6 1SS with MRC +/- 0.5sec

[EE7]

Originally Posted by Memphis43

No that was the cts-v


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Wow... I need to have a beer and then go to bed. Holy moly. Just replace "Thread Jacked" with EE7 and pull the trigger. I'm done. lol.

[Memphis43]

Originally Posted by crankaholic

I think there's some wishful thinking regarding the 1LE getting within 2 seconds of Z/28 (and the GT350R by extension) simply because those cars have MUCH stickier tires and serious aero.



I think the 1LE will have similar performance to the gen5 ZL1, which was 3 seconds faster around VIR than the gen5 1LE. To come close to the Z/28, the new 1LE has to be 10 full seconds faster than the last gen 1LE - and, according to Chevy, the new SS (which is supposed to have similar lap times to the gen5 1LE) <- unless I'm getting this wrong and they said ZL1..?



C&D VIR lap times

gen5 Z/28 - 2:50.9

gen5 ZL1 - 2:57.5 ... gen6 1LE +/- 0.5sec (?)

gen5 1LE - 3:01.5 ... gen6 1SS with MRC +/- 0.5sec

That's what I'm trying to get across to them.

They shouldn't be disappointed by this though. This car will be as fast as last gen zl1 which as you can see is in r8 territory.

The gt350 is still going to cost a lot more than what this 1le will with msrp, destination, gas tax.

It will also have more features.


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[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Memphis43

That's what I'm trying to get across to them.

They shouldn't be disappointed by this though. This car will be as fast as last gen zl1 which as you can see is in r8 territory.

The gt350 is still going to cost a lot more than what this 1le will with msrp, destination, gas tax.

It will also have more features.


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Around the Milford Road Course, the Z/28 is about 3 seconds faster than the ZL1. And the ZL1 was 2.3 seconds faster than the 1LE.

So....if the standard SS is about as fast as the outgoing 1LE, that will put the NEW at least as fast as the the outgoing ZL1. Likely, it will be faster.

Take that as you will. I believe the new 1LE will be faster than a base GT350, and at least competitive with a GT350TP

[Memphis43]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

Around the Milford Road Course, the Z/28 is about 3 seconds faster than the ZL1. And the ZL1 was 2.3 seconds faster than the 1LE.



So....if the standard SS is about as fast as the outgoing 1LE, that will put the NEW at least as fast as the the outgoing ZL1. Likely, it will be faster.



Take that as you will. I believe the new 1LE will be faster than a base GT350, and at least competitive with a GT350TP





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That was my next thing. It all depends on the track. But at VIR it will get handled.




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[crankaholic]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

Around the Milford Road Course, the Z/28 is about 3 seconds faster than the ZL1. And the ZL1 was 2.3 seconds faster than the 1LE.

So....if the standard SS is about as fast as the outgoing 1LE, that will put the NEW at least as fast as the the outgoing ZL1. Likely, it will be faster.

Take that as you will. I believe the new 1LE will be faster than a base GT350, and at least competitive with a GT350TP


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I could see that happening... the GT350 base and TP lap times should be somewhere around gen5 ZL1 lap times. I will be very surprised and formally apologize to the 1LE team for doubting them if the car is actually competitive with the Z/28 not that it needs to be, the ZL1 is a seriously fast car!

[ChefBorOzzy]

Wasn't VIR resurfaced? Times kind of go out the window if they weren't tested on same surface.. Even at similar times.

1LE is not going to run Z/28 lap times people and there is absolutely no shame in that. I think it will be competitive with GT350 track pack and ZL1.

[detltu]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

Around the Milford Road Course, the Z/28 is about 3 seconds faster than the ZL1. And the ZL1 was 2.3 seconds faster than the 1LE.

So....if the standard SS is about as fast as the outgoing 1LE, that will put the NEW at least as fast as the the outgoing ZL1. Likely, it will be faster.

Take that as you will. I believe the new 1LE will be faster than a base GT350, and at least competitive with a GT350TP


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I think that is a good track for comparison. 2 minute track vs 2 minute track

As opposed to VIR which is about a 3 minute track.

Its certainly not an exact science but:
Chuckwalla:
GT350R 1:57.87
Z/28 1:58.45
GT350 TP 2:00.82

Milford:
GT350R (Z/28 -1)
Z/28 1:53.71
GT350TP (Z/28 +2)
Gen 6 1LE
ZL-1 1:56.58 (Z/28 +3)
Gen 6 SS
(5th Gen) 1LE 1:59.05 (Z/28 +5)

3 seconds faster than the 5th gen 1LE would put it right there with the GT350TP and faster than the ZL1 (by about 1 seconds).

It will be fun to see.

[crankaholic]

Originally Posted by detltu

I think that is a good track for comparison. 2 minute track vs 2 minute track

As opposed to VIR which is about a 3 minute track.

Its certainly not an exact science but:
Chuckwalla:
GT350R 1:57.87
Z/28 1:58.45
GT350 TP 2:00.82

Milford:
GT350R (Z/28 -1)
Z/28 1:53.71
GT350TP (Z/28 +2)
Gen 6 1LE
ZL-1 1:56.58 (Z/28 +3)
Gen 6 SS
(5th Gen) 1LE 1:59.05 (Z/28 +5)

3 seconds faster than the 5th gen 1LE would put it right there with the GT350TP and faster than the ZL1 (by about 1 seconds).

It will be fun to see.

Good educated guess. I can see that happening... people tend to forget that even a 1 second gap on a 2 minute track is a lot!

[Iron Oak]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

...The package includes a HUD, a leather rear seats (to match the look of the Recaros) and you can get navigation, so I'm told. The Spectrum lighting and knee pads are still accessory options...but, no heated seats, wheel, memory, etc...

Wait?! It DOES come with the HUD? That is honestly the only thing I wanted in the 2SS variant. If this is true, You just made my day. For track work, I can see the appeal of the HUD. I have been waiting to purchase a 14-15 1LE later this spring but I may just wait and get one of these.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by detltu

I think that is a good track for comparison. 2 minute track vs 2 minute track

As opposed to VIR which is about a 3 minute track.

Its certainly not an exact science but:
Chuckwalla:
GT350R 1:57.87
Z/28 1:58.45
GT350 TP 2:00.82

Milford:
GT350R (Z/28 -1)
Z/28 1:53.71
GT350TP (Z/28 +2)
Gen 6 1LE
ZL-1 1:56.58 (Z/28 +3)
Gen 6 SS
(5th Gen) 1LE 1:59.05 (Z/28 +5)

3 seconds faster than the 5th gen 1LE would put it right there with the GT350TP and faster than the ZL1 (by about 1 seconds).

It will be fun to see.

I get the feeling that Dave Pericak isn't sleeping very well lately

[Iron Oak]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

Around the Milford Road Course, the Z/28 is about 3 seconds faster than the ZL1. And the ZL1 was 2.3 seconds faster than the 1LE.

So....if the standard SS is about as fast as the outgoing 1LE, that will put the NEW at least as fast as the the outgoing ZL1. Likely, it will be faster.

Take that as you will. I believe the new 1LE will be faster than a base GT350, and at least competitive with a GT350TP

I honestly think the current 2016 SS is as fast as the GT350. I think the 1LE will give the GT350R a run for its money.

Motor trend just filmed a head to head with the new Camaro SS against the M4 and a Mustang GT with PP. I'm assuming that Ford would not give them a GT350 for comparison because it knows what the result would be. Similar to when they wouldn't give them a Boss for comparison to the 1LE when it was introduce to the 5th Gen. Ford knew it was faster.

I can't wait for the head to head episode to come out.

This new 1LE is special. And more people need to be talking about the eLSD. This is a huge asset to the vehicle! It's a torque vectoring rear diff!

[EE7]

Originally Posted by Iron Oak

I honestly think the current 2016 SS is as fast as the GT350. I think the 1LE will give the GT350R a run for its money.

Motor trend just filmed a head to head with the new Camaro SS against the M4 and a Mustang GT with PP. I'm assuming that Ford would not give them a GT350 for comparison because it knows what the result would be. Similar to when they wouldn't give them a Boss for comparison to the 1LE when it was introduce to the 5th Gen. Ford knew it was faster.

I can't wait for the head to head episode to come out.

This new 1LE is special. And more people need to be talking about the eLSD. This is a huge asset to the vehicle! It's a torque vectoring rear diff!

I don't think it will be as fast as the R but I just can't get past thinking it will be faster than a base GT350 and close to a 350TP.

[detltu]

Originally Posted by Iron Oak

I honestly think the current 2016 SS is as fast as the GT350. I think the 1LE will give the GT350R a run for its money.

Motor trend just filmed a head to head with the new Camaro SS against the M4 and a Mustang GT with PP. I'm assuming that Ford would not give them a GT350 for comparison because it knows what the result would be. Similar to when they wouldn't give them a Boss for comparison to the 1LE when it was introduce to the 5th Gen. Ford knew it was faster.

I can't wait for the head to head episode to come out.

This new 1LE is special. And more people need to be talking about the eLSD. This is a huge asset to the vehicle! It's a torque vectoring rear diff!

That's a tall tall order. I just don't see that happening. I have outlined my expectations above. I don't read any more into the test than they felt the GT PP was the best car to compare to the SS. We already know it will be faster since the outgoing 1LE was faster than the GT PP and the new SS is faster than the last 1LE.

I think sometimes it gets lost just how amazing these times are. The 5th gen 1LE,ZL1, and Z/28 were all amazing. For the SS to beat the 1LE and the 1LE to beat the ZL1 is pretty damn amazing. I feel a little bad for people who will be disappointed if the 1LE doesn't hang with the outgoing Z/28. That is such a high bar to achieve and I'm not sure people realize that.

The new GT350 is really impressive. Don't sell it short. For the TP to be that close to the Z/28 should really impress people.