[mdmoore23]

Screw the adm. The mystery to me is why are people willing to waste money on this GT350. I mean, it's a good Mustang don't get me wrong and I haven't driven one. But, most non fanboys that have them and I've talked to say the same things. The car is gutless on torque, quality is spotty on paint and build, and nvh sucks. So, are people really willing to spend this much extra money just because it has a flat plane crank? That seems to be most of its claim to fame. I will say Ford does a hell of a job hyping these halo Mustangs. I just wish my fellow enthusiasts wouldn't falsely drive this market into the stratosphere. It's like people are paying for the prospect of future appreciation. And it probably will never happen. You cant force a car to be a collectible.

[Kurac]

Originally Posted by mdmoore23

Screw the adm. The mystery to me is why are people willing to waste money on this GT350. I mean, it's a good Mustang don't get me wrong and I haven't driven one. But, most non fanboys that have them and I've talked to say the same things. The car is gutless on torque, quality is spotty on paint and build, and nvh sucks. So, are people really willing to spend this much extra money just because it has a flat plane crank? That seems to be most of its claim to fame. I will say Ford does a hell of a job hyping these halo Mustangs. I just wish my fellow enthusiasts wouldn't falsely drive this market into the stratosphere. It's like people are paying for the prospect of future appreciation. And it probably will never happen. You cant force a car to be a collectible.

I stopped reading when you said you haven't driven one.
That's all it takes.

[Artos]

Originally Posted by Kurac

I stopped reading when you said you haven't driven one.
That's all it takes.

I stopped shopping when the multiple dealers wouldn't get past the ADM...that was all it took. They offered, but Why test drive a car I refuse to pay over sticker??


Ford Dealers did me a favor...I like the car, would love to drive one as I think they did great with the flat plane crank, but it's not anywhere that special & they put me in a better ZL1 that I purchased $3k under sticker I took home without a test drive.

No 350R is anywhere better than my A10 LT4 for even $1.00 over sticker...it's insulting & the dealers are still calling me to buy the same cars still sitting on the lot?? Asinine. They need to get their game on as they have a great car, just not that great. Just a lot of stupid buyers with fat wallets & little between the ears that have made them greedy.

[mogsoc52]

Originally Posted by 93oh

Ridiculous comparison honestly. Apart from the suspension and sharpness the GT 350 has attributes that the ZL1 doesn't. The 350 is damn well a perfect car. It has great suspension and engine that revs to the moon with long legs and brakes that will put you through the windshield and bleed off speed with ease. The ZL1 has in my opinion a better suspension and obviously more power. But the cabins are eons apart and Mustang is very airy and open and visible and Zl1 you feel as if you're looking out of a tank through a slit.

So, what are you saying man, that I am going to have flashbacks to my military days....Hmmm, maybe the ZL1 IS the one for me.

[mogsoc52]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

The problem is just what you said...that someone will buy it at that ridiculous markup. But the thing is, whoever the people are that are paying these ridiculous markups, I bet they're ashamed and probably go walking around lying and saying they got it below MSRP. Anyone who gives a dealership that kind of money is a moron. Its like hey let me give you money so I can give you money for this car. And $30 ADM for a GT350R is 50% of the MSRP. I wouldn't pay an extra 50% for a candy bar let alone a vehicle...

While your premise is accurate, you just basically called out the ENTIRE car auction industry...Muse be a MASS amount of morons out their...3.5 mill for a big block 427 or 71 hemi cuda...It is amazing what someone will pay to own a particualr something or other. Overall point is valid.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by 13vertss/r's

As soon as they started with the mullet regarding Camaro drivers, I knew the zl1 was going to lose. I believe they did the same thing with the z28 head to head with the 350r. There supposed to be non biased, but when you make fun of one car and not the other shows they were biased.

Reposting this here...

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by shaffe

I am not saying it doesn't exist, your post or at least the way I read it you seemed to make it out to be a Ford only problem and it's Ford's fault. It's the fault of the dealers and like you said bc idiots will pay it.

It is Ford's fault. Ford could stop all allocations for the GT350 if they wanted.

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by Kurac

I stopped reading when you said you haven't driven one.
That's all it takes.

The GT350 that I had was a great car. For a 8K rpm motor, the M3 still is better. You could not even feel the motor. It went to redline so fast the tach could hardly keep up. But then, it was one throttle body per cylinder and a $30k motor. Ford's motor, well....not.

But I did not pay ADM for the M3. Ford allows it to go on, so be it. But you are an idiot to pay $15k to $30k ADM. And NO, it is not that special.

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by Artos

I stopped shopping when the multiple dealers wouldn't get past the ADM...that was all it took. They offered, but Why test drive a car I refuse to pay over sticker??


Ford Dealers did me a favor...I like the car, would love to drive one as I think they did great with the flat plane crank, but it's not anywhere that special & they put me in a better ZL1 that I purchased $3k under sticker I took home without a test drive.

No 350R is anywhere better than my A10 LT4 for even $1.00 over sticker...it's insulting & the dealers are still calling me to buy the same cars still sitting on the lot?? Asinine. They need to get their game on as they have a great car, just not that great. Just a lot of stupid buyers with fat wallets & little between the ears that have made them greedy.

+2

Since they only make 500 a year of the R, out of the world's population, there will be enough rich and idiot people to buy it. If they made 50,000 of them, then they would sit on the lot.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by unavailablezl1

It is Ford's fault. Ford could stop all allocations for the GT350 if they wanted.

The problem is the cars are still moving though. If they were collecting dust bc of the markups then I agree if Ford stopped allocations then the dealers might wise up.

But since there are still people paying it, its on the dealers

IMO the only way Ford could stop it, is if they did it like they did the GT, and owners purchased directly from Ford Motor Company

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by shaffe

The problem is the cars are still moving though. If they were collecting dust bc of the markups then I agree if Ford stopped allocations then the dealers might wise up.

But since there are still people paying it, its on the dealers

IMO the only way Ford could stop it, is if they did it like they did the GT, and owners purchased directly from Ford Motor Company

Which would be like Tesla. Personally, I am sick of the dealer BS. Why can't we order from the factory and the dealers do the repairs? That's where they make their money anyway.

How hard is that to comprehend....

[unavailablezl1]

Originally Posted by mogsoc52

While your premise is accurate, you just basically called out the ENTIRE car auction industry...Muse be a MASS amount of morons out their...3.5 mill for a big block 427 or 71 hemi cuda...It is amazing what someone will pay to own a particualr something or other. Overall point is valid.

You are confusing what some people claim as "special" and a car that is truly rare. Two different things. For every person calling the GT350 special, there are 10,000 saying, "it isn't THAT special".

Those same 10,000 people will say that you can get a Mustang GT and make it faster and add on from Ford Performance the MagneRide and extra horsepower and Brembo brakes and Tremec transmission and different exhaust, for a lot cheaper then $100k. Then it would out perform a GT350R in every way.

Case in point. You can make your own GT350R


Finally, feeding air to Ford Performance’s 5.2-liter Aluminator XS are the tuned intake manifold and dual 65-mm throttle body from the latest Ford Mustang Cobra Jet. The former by itself allows for 20 to 25 extra horsepower at 8,000 rpm, says the automaker, which sheds light on another nifty detail: the new crate motor can rev to at least 8,000 rpm

Read more: http://fordauthority.com/2016/09/for...#ixzz4jEwn0PkP

http://performance.ford.com/enthusia...te-engine.html

http://www.americanmuscle.com/frpp-5...hortblock.html

http://www.fordracingbyspeedshopdire...fNARoC0Lfw_wcB

[Diggitydog]

Originally Posted by unavailablezl1

Which would be like Tesla. Personally, I am sick of the dealer BS. Why can't we order from the factory and the dealers do the repairs? That's where they make their money anyway.

How hard is that to comprehend....

That will happen in the near future. Hope it does.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by unavailablezl1

You are confusing what some people claim as "special" and a car that is truly rare. Two different things. For every person calling the GT350 special, there are 10,000 saying, "it isn't THAT special".

Those same 10,000 people will say that you can get a Mustang GT and make it faster and add on from Ford Performance the MagneRide and extra horsepower and Brembo brakes and Tremec transmission and different exhaust, for a lot cheaper then $100k. Then it would out perform a GT350R in every way.

Case in point. You can make your own GT350R


Finally, feeding air to Ford Performance’s 5.2-liter Aluminator XS are the tuned intake manifold and dual 65-mm throttle body from the latest Ford Mustang Cobra Jet. The former by itself allows for 20 to 25 extra horsepower at 8,000 rpm, says the automaker, which sheds light on another nifty detail: the new crate motor can rev to at least 8,000 rpm

Read more: http://fordauthority.com/2016/09/for...#ixzz4jEwn0PkP

http://performance.ford.com/enthusia...te-engine.html

http://www.americanmuscle.com/frpp-5...hortblock.html

http://www.fordracingbyspeedshopdire...fNARoC0Lfw_wcB

I'm sorry, it's more like everyone EXCEPT a great deal of camaro owners. A great majority of automotive enthusiasts would love to own a GT350R because of how special it is.

It's amazing how peoples brand loyalty seems to throw blinders on.