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I see that you're an owner of a classic Chevelle. That's an awesome car. Certainly, a 4-banger of any car is not a likely vehicle for your garage. The car I'm suggesting is not for you or me. It's for the guy who wants a stylish vehicle, but doesn't care about performance the same way that you and I do. It's for the guy that respects the Camaro's shape, but would still rather have a Nissan or something with a small engine. Back in the day, Chevrolet probably argued about having different engines. Should the Camaro have a 427 and a 350 or just a 427? Today, we're doing the same thing with engines more in line with what the average customer will want. We are not average customers on this forum, so we are a poor indication of Camaro buyers. We are the die-hard enthusiasts.
Look at the price of a BRZ. It's already in the Camaro price range for significantly worse performance. No one has confirmed the Code 130R as a production vehicle. It's a design concept. There is no redundancy. I struggle to call any car with over 100k sales a niche. The Camaro is a mainstream production car with an opportunity to increase sales. Let's get some! The Camaro was previously killed due to poor sales. It stuck to a formula for too long without any changes to keep up with the market. Let's avoid that this time. Finally, the new cars coming out of GM have top marks in reliability. I don't need to hear that import supremacy garbage anymore. GM vehicles are superior in almost every category to similar imports.
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I could have sworn their sales suffered because they were neglected in the engineering department, not advertised, were long-in-the-tooth, they had playschool interiors, and management was obsessed with consolidating platforms, making a 2-car F-body platform a redheaded stepchild. CAFE also played a hand in the decision as well... |
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The pencil pushers despised the F-Body back then. IRS might have helped sales and make it harder for them to kill it. Back then there were all kinds of people who were involved with the program leaking stuff on the boards (early forum software).
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That doesn't surprise me but GM obviously had the wrong pencil pushers.
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I guess I won't try to rehash my whole argument, since this is probably one we just won't agree on. All I'll add is that on surveys asking car buyers to rate attributes that are important to them, fuel economy is more often than not nearer the bottom of the list, not the top, even in 2008 when gas first spiked to $4. It is a factor, but more of a secondary factor, not a primary one. And for those who do want high fuel economy above almost all else, those buyers will never look at sports cars anyway. Quote:
The point I am trying to make with that, and my earlier post, is that the FR-S/BRZ twins and the Camaro are two very different cars, built on two very different platforms, meant to appeal to very different types of buyers. A small, lightweight sports car will do certain things that a larger platformed pony car like the Camaro (and to be inclusive, Mustang, Challenger, Challenger replacement, Genesis,...any pony car) will never be able to do simply because of its basic platform characteristics, and vice versa. You can't appeal to everyone with just one car/platform, and attempting to do so is the surest way to mediocrity. Quote:
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In practice, yes, probably.
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So now we are considering NA 4 cylinder? Why not EV? Toyota seems to sell a lot of them. We can position the Camaro as a Leaf/Prius competitor!
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They won't consider an N/A 4 for the Camaro...at least not the 6th gen. Don't think you have that to worry about.
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