[Bumbleboy92]

I still remember the 2019 refresh ‘reveal’ that they had CBS do. I struggle to even find a good quality reveal video now…

[bishopts]

Originally Posted by XXX ZL1

The base V6 cars was a solid car for kids that wanted a sporty car but parents didn't want the power of the V8 for young driver. That made up a good margin of car sales for years. Then GM made the car a huge rolling blind spot that you can't see out of, making it unsafe for younger drivers. Another is a complete lack of support from Chevrolet in terms of promoting the car. In the world of social media people like to see innovation and new. Without seeing it, many didn't even know how cool the platform was. All that was left was us purist that loved it, and that number just wasn't enough.

The only people that complained about lack of visibility were people that came from sedans.
The camaro has no more or less visibility than my trans am, supra, 3000gt, gto.
Kids that went from their moms old camry to a camaro definitely had a big change to adjust to but nothing out of the ordinary.

[drfnw]

Originally Posted by lowke

I can't remember seeing any advertisement for the gen6. I read online reviews and then drove one . 2 months later I got a new one. It's like the Camaro was not the image they wanted. GM wants to sell EVs. And they could make better profit making caddies in the Camaro factory.

GM oversold the transition to EVs. Camaro left to wither and die, but they did the same thing with their higher volume models. Malibu was last sedan standing but even it had no real changes for many years. How long ago did they give up on full size sedans? How many Buick sedans lately? I was in the industry when the Verano/Regal/LaCrosse were killed pre-Covid. My local dealer ended up moving those buyers to non GM options.

With Camaro, it hurts us because it hit closer to home. I bought mine when I did because it was my last chance after a number of Mustangs over the decades. But it was not because the Camaro was state of the art.

[Joshinator99]

Originally Posted by m6-lt1

Definitely why the S650 Mustang sales are horrible. I think manufacturers are cool with selling less units at higher profit per unit. That’s the biggest problem we face in this post covid world.

100%. I think Ford screwed up by not holding the line on S550 pricing on the new S650. They had the market to themselves and screwed it up…or, like you said they don’t care because they’re making more per car now.

Originally Posted by pzoom

This. I had a 3rd gen (no comparison performance-wise) but I daily drove it for decades. Roomy, giant cup holders in the door, hatch easily fit gear - even a mtn bike.

100%. I had an ‘84 Trans Am, an ‘86 Trans Am, an 88’ IROC-Z 350, a ‘93 Z28, a ‘97 WS6, then another ‘97 WS6 all as daily drivers as a young man! Did everything with those cars. A separate set of cheap wheels and snow tires for winter and I was generally fine.

That said, I’d much rather do what I do now lmao. That sports car daily stuff is not for old-version of me haha

[CHASLT1]

Originally Posted by bishopts

The only people that complained about lack of visibility were people that came from sedans.
The camaro has no more or less visibility than my trans am, supra, 3000gt, gto.
Kids that went from their moms old camry to a camaro definitely had a big change to adjust to but nothing out of the ordinary.

There was never a thought of any change coming from Vettes to my 2021 LT1. If it was just smaller like my Vette i would have kept it.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by CHASLT1

Maybe prices ae too high.

lol, prices of everything are too high. And Mach E prices are even higher

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by bishopts

The only people that complained about lack of visibility were people that came from sedans.
The camaro has no more or less visibility than my trans am, supra, 3000gt, gto.
Kids that went from their moms old camry to a camaro definitely had a big change to adjust to but nothing out of the ordinary.

No. It’s just that bad. Owners and fans just will never “see” it.

For starters your Trans Am has a lower belt line without the Camaro slammed roof. It’s better (and I’ve driven both over the years).

Supra and and the longgggg gone 3000gt? GM considered those Corvette competitors for most tif the time. And 3000gt? Gone. Supra? Cancelled.

And lastly, the Mustang is just wayyyy better. And if all you want is a sporty coupe and you aren’t willing to make the trade offs V8 buyers are, you’ll probably buy the Mustang.

Otherwise, I need someone to explain, if it wasn’t visibility, trunk space and rear seat room why the better looking and wayyyy better performing Camaro is gone and you can still get a Mustang. And DONT say advertising as the Mustang advertised as much (or little) as the Camaro.

[bishopts]

Originally Posted by Number 3

No. It’s just that bad. Owners and fans just will never “see” it.

What are you even talking about? Since i like my car i can see out of it just fine but people that don't like them or own them can't see out?
Try and make that make sense.

Like i said dumb kids that just came from a sedan have problems, no one that knows how to adjust a seat and use mirrors will have problems any more than any other coupe.

[Memphis SS]

Originally Posted by Number 3

No. It’s just that bad. Owners and fans just will never “see” it.

For starters your Trans Am has a lower belt line without the Camaro slammed roof. It’s better (and I’ve driven both over the years).

Supra and and the longgggg gone 3000gt? GM considered those Corvette competitors for most tif the time. And 3000gt? Gone. Supra? Cancelled.

And lastly, the Mustang is just wayyyy better. And if all you want is a sporty coupe and you aren’t willing to make the trade offs V8 buyers are, you’ll probably buy the Mustang.

Otherwise, I need someone to explain, if it wasn’t visibility, trunk space and rear seat room why the better looking and wayyyy better performing Camaro is gone and you can still get a Mustang. And DONT say advertising as the Mustang advertised as much (or little) as the Camaro.

Mustang visibility is not any better than the Camaro and as far as back seat room that’s about the same. My garage below, I should know.

[speedyink1]

Yeah I'm not getting it either..


Visibility between the 4th and the 6th gen isn't that drastic. The rear window of my 4th gen TA was horrible to see out of, it cuts off the top and the bottom of your view. When you factor in the 6th gen has a backup camera, it's way easier to back up with the 6th gen. The higher side windows does make it slightly harder to see out the side/rear 3/4 I suppose, but the situation isn't drastically improved when hopping in the 4th gen.


Storage, the 6th gen has more of it, hands down. The smaller trunk opening could be a pain, sure, but the actual space in there is pretty large. In the 4th gen, back seats were just as useless, and while it has a hatch, you had one small deep well in the back (which you lost if you took the T-Tops off). There was a tiny space between the well and the rear seat which was useless for basically anything, and then you had the rear seats. You can fit larger more awkward things in the 4th gen because of the hatch. I took home a 6' step ladder in it which I know I couldn't do in the 6th gen. If I had to go on a trip and pack a bunch of stuff though, 6th gen hands down is better.
Yes you can put a drink in the door pocket of a 4th gen, but you lost the cup holder in the center console (I will laugh in your face if you try to tell me the 1/2" deep "cup holder" is usable for anything but a bit of change).

[CHASLT1]

Originally Posted by Number 3

lol, prices of everything are too high. And Mach E prices are even higher

Used EV prices are crazy low.

[Devstrike]

I think Advertising is the big one. Dodge put out amazing ads for their cars everywhere during the time the Camaro was around and still do now. They also kept upping the Horsepower over time as well. Chevy did nothing in advertisement and didn't participate in the 700+ hp car building like Ford and Dodge did. Dodge successfully sold a car on a platform that was around since Bush was president and put hellcats in it outselling both the Mustang and the Camaro until the end of that generation a year or two ago.


As far as visibility goes I can tell you there are other cars on the market with the same or worse visibility including peoples dream cars I hear talked about while bashing the Camaro that has the same visibility. Putting the con on the Camaro though probably hurt it but not as much as what I said above. I personally do not think the visibility in the Camaro is bad and I have had the car for over five years now.

[Classic Muscle]

For me the Camaro cockpit is too tight and the seating position is Corvettish, too low, but I think that is the way the Camaro has always been, more of a down low recliner like driving position. I like the S650 and S550 seating position better, it is more upright.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by Classic Muscle

For me the Camaro cockpit is too tight and the seating position is Corvettish, too low, but I think that is the way the Camaro has always been, more of a down low recliner like driving position. I like the S650 and S550 seating position better, it is more upright.

Interesting. That's why they say different strokes for different folks. There are two things that would keep me from buying any S197 or S550/650 except for Shelby / Mach I / Dark Horse. Those things are seating position and MT82. The MT82 could be worked around by just getting the 10-speed, but the seating position can't be changed.

One week I had two Mustang press cars back to back. First was a Bullitt. Second was a GT350. I couldn't wait to give back the keys to the Bullitt. Seating position was way too high and accentuated the cars suspect handling. It felt like sitting on top of the car. If you tossed the car around, it tossed you twice as hard. And the MT82 had sloppy, long throws with almost no detent feel. Hated that transmission. The Shelby had a lower seating position and Recaro's that hugged you tight. And the Tremec was TIGHT!. Every shift was "Snick! Snick! Snick! I begged for more time with that car. Didn't get it.