[JT6Speed]

Originally Posted by haggler

They are not going to make a coupe. If they remake it will be a 4 door camaro styled EV, like the chevy version of the ct4.
The whole allure of this car is the V8. Even if you couldn't afford the V8, it was something aspirational. And if you had the V8, there was the ZL1.
If you're shopping for an electric car, you're looking for an appliance. That's not the history of the Camaro, and that's not a Camaro buyer. GM knows this, so they will water down the nameplate to something mass market.

Yeah definitely not. Coupes are a really small segment of the market share now. I mean, cars in general are not selling as well.

This is an interesting read. Driving too and from our vacation this summer it was amazing to see how many SUV's and trucks were on the road. It makes sense when you see these numbers...

https://jalopnik.com/trucks-and-suvs...ale-1848427797

[50MileSmile]

Originally Posted by Chevelle vs Camaro

Won’t happen. To big of a name to not capitalize on the marketing…

You mean like Chevy did for the last 5 years? The way the company handled the Camaro pretty much defines “anti-marketing.”

[SnakeEyeSS]

Originally Posted by haggler

They are not going to make a coupe. If they remake it will be a 4 door camaro styled EV, like the chevy version of the ct4.
The whole allure of this car is the V8. Even if you couldn't afford the V8, it was something aspirational. And if you had the V8, there was the ZL1.
If you're shopping for an electric car, you're looking for an appliance. That's not the history of the Camaro, and that's not a Camaro buyer. GM knows this, so they will water down the nameplate to something mass market.

It's GM's own product video saying they are making coupes. If you want to argue with GM on what they are currently developing, I won't stop you.

[haggler]

Originally Posted by SnakeEyeSS

It's GM's own product video saying they are making coupes. If you want to argue with GM on what they are currently developing, I won't stop you.

yeah, the Corvette is one. What other coupe does GM sell after 2024? One is enough. People aren't buying coupes let alone sedans.

[SnakeEyeSS]

Originally Posted by haggler

yeah, the Corvette is one. What other coupe does GM sell after 2024? One is enough. People aren't buying coupes let alone sedans.

This is the internet, Facts don't matter! We'll find out in a year or so anyway. I would not be surprised at all if they did make a coupe, called it a Chevelle, and then made the Camaro sedan, because I think GM doesn't care that much about its names and how they are used.

[bootss]

It was never about owning a camaro for me, It was about owning a streetable track weapon that had a manual that let you turn off all the nannies and let it rip if you were so inclined.

The 6thGen ZL1 just happened to have all of that.

I don't care what they make after this, if it's an EV, it will never be this. EVs are faster, they have some cool things, but it's not what I'm looking for.

[mrwonderful]

Originally Posted by zaimer

Where are you getting this from?

In his defense, he lives in Westfield IN...it's either Tesla's or Denali's driven there.

[GroundhogSS]

In that video from gm, at the end where they pictured several vehicles, the second from the left with the Chevy logo sure looked like a two door, although a four door is possible.

[Nepenthe]

Originally Posted by haggler

People aren't buying coupes let alone sedans.

Kind of sad, but probably true. It's interesting to find myself on an island as far as my preferences. Of the four-wheeled vehicles I've owned (323, Escort GT, RX-7, Stealth R/T TT, Corolla, Civic Si, Scion FR-S, Mustang), only the Corolla had four doors, and I only had it for half a year. I have no desire to ever buy another four door, let alone a glorified minivan. I guess there's almost no market for coupes... and almost no cars for me.

[olrocker]

The coupe popularity and demand really exploded after WWII. When a lot of the GIs came home, not all of them were off to start families and create the baby boomers. A lot of them got into hot roding and hittin the car hops with friends it’s also when NASCAR took off and at that time the cars they raced on the Grand National circuit (it’s name before Winston cigarettes bought the naming rights in 1970) were literally the exact cars you and your friends could go down to your local Chevy or Ford dealer and buy (minus a few racing tricks), brand new off the showroom, on an honest working man’s salary. And pay cash, no need to finance.

Then the baby boomers hit driving age and they wanted even cooler and faster cars than their parents. So here comes the pony cars and muscle cars and the coupe was THE car to have if you were cool. Only nerds and squares or ”unfortunate” kids drove sedans - or heaven forbid, their parents station wagon.

Then the oil and gas crisis of 73 hit. Suddenly no one cared if their car was a sedan or if it had any kind of muscle at all. If you got 30 miles per gallon that’s all that mattered. Or at least more than the 12 miles a gallon they were used to not to mention the fact that insurance companies Started making muscle cars out to be the second coming of Satan himself

In the 80s and 90s computers enabled performance to come back to two-door coupe‘s, which really kind of save them at that point. Kids, my generation, Gen X fell in love with a Camaro and Trans Am all over again. If you talk to our parents, they tell you that 1998 felt like 1968 all over again it was really cool.

Then a few things came together, all at once to create what we have now. The advent of the SUV, being easy to drive, comfortable, luxurious, quiet, and reliable, which were all things it never were, before, combined with all car manufacturers, looking to cut their costs, and become more streamlined and more efficient in every way possible, lead to engineering, a few basic platform chassis very highly related to each other to keep costs and development down. That combined with younger generations, lack of interest in cars (Gen Y and later really have little desire to know how to change their own oil or know what kind of engine they have), and the sales of SUVs and all related types of vehicles begin to blow away Any type of sales chance you had with a two door coupe.

It’s sad really.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by 50MileSmile

You mean like Chevy did for the last 5 years? The way the company handled the Camaro pretty much defines “anti-marketing.”

No not really. As I’ve tried many times to communicate the Gen6 Camaro was designed for a very specific customer…..Gen5 Camaro buyers. They asked he Camaro faithful what they wanted and it’s exactly what was asked for. That car had zero broad appeal. As lambasted as I’ve been since it came out in 2016, the Gen 6 suffered from poor visibility, a non usable trunk and a crappy back seat. All things the Mustang and Callenger did better. So the magic TV commercial would have done nothing except excite the people the car was already designed for.

And one thing anyone can’t do is suggest what Ford did any differently with the Mustang that would have been better. No TV at all and it dominated the segment.

And yes it’s sad in away that coupes have all but died. Replaced by pickup trucks and SUVs. Remember station wagons and GM’s valiant effort to revive them? CTS and most recently the Regal. It would be special for GM to bring back a coupe. And I can see an attempt at something unique but more versatile. Likely a hatch and maybe 2 RAP DOORS (Mazda RX7) but for sure it needs to be much more appealing to a much broader audience. Today it’s just not that car.

And please stop calling EVs appliances. A Bolt yes, a Porsche Taycan? Just no. You are simply screaming your bias.

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by Number 3

No not really. As I’ve tried many times to communicate the Gen6 Camaro was designed for a very specific customer…..Gen5 Camaro buyers. They asked he Camaro faithful what they wanted and it’s exactly what was asked for. That car had zero broad appeal. As lambasted as I’ve been since it came out in 2016, the Gen 6 suffered from poor visibility, a non usable trunk and a crappy back seat. All things the Mustang and Callenger did better. So the magic TV commercial would have done nothing except excite the people the car was already designed for.

This is simply not true. I, along with several othe Camaro owners I personally interacted with, never had a 5th gen Camaro (or, in my case, any other gen for what it's worth), this "old new thing" had massive appeal to me and them.

Although there are other technical and marketing points you make that I disagree with, I will not discuss those any further, because your bias is impenetrable, as witnessed by hundreds of posts you made. (For the record, I'm not trying to excuse other people's biases, anti-EV or otherwise, by saying this.)

[olrocker]

Originally Posted by Number 3

And please stop calling EVs appliances. A Bolt yes, a Porsche Taycan? Just no. You are simply screaming your bias.

Porsche has remained very fervently in favor of not only keeping the flat 6 alive and well in the 911, they also intend to keep offering them with a real 3 pedal manual transmission and are investing millions to keeping future plans in full operation.

I will never stop calling an electric vehicle an appliance. They are. Stop being blind to the fact they are absurdly embarrassing as anything but something for people who do not care about cars.

That Taycan is fast and it's a Porsche. Those who own it could care less about what's under the hood or between the wheels.

Those who buy 911s can sit with you and discuss the finer points of cam lobe diameter.

Huge difference, even in Porsche land. I have no problem with that. Porsche knows they need to build cars for incompetent wieners with too much money and just want the Porsche badge to show their compadres at the local Starbucks to fund the 911 for those who actually get why that company exists, it's history, and what they're all about. That's why they came out with SUVs to begin with that was blasphemy to the Porsche purists. But by now I think they've all thanked Porsche for doing that.

Nothing says GM can't do the same. Build those appliances for the blind sheep that have no clue what a car is to pay the bills. Just keep a couple real cars for us enthusiasts.

[Mike818]

An electric car isn't any more or less an appliance than an ICE car.

I remember people crying about fuel injection and how it was the death of performance blah blah. People figured it out.

People complain about electric cars being smart phones on wheels and how locked down and boring they are/will be. There is a young adult in every mall that can tear down, build up, and mod every smart phone or handheld gaming device. I'm sure they could talk for hours about the nuances of different software or hardware mods. EV's are no different.

Just because you don't want to learn or change doesn't mean things aren't getting better.