[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

Yea I knew the 5.0 was confirmed but I don't think the output has been confirmed yet (to my knowledge, which isn't saying much lol), but some leaked 2021 spec sheets suggest it'll be the Bullit's 480hp vs the standard 5.0 GT 460hp.

Ford Authority has been reporting targets of 525 hp / 470 lb-ft, so the Bullitt 5.0L as a starting point is all but a given. Not a lot you can do to a naturally aspirated 5.0L to increase output 45 hp and still meet emissions. So I'll start the rumor here...


Bullitt 5.0L + Explorer Hybrid emotor = 533.6 hp.

I think it could go a couple ways.
Most likely: 500-ish PP2 with Cup2s, coolers, and a Tremec. 10AT as an option. I'll give it a 70% chance.

Possible: The 10AT option could include a hybrid system at 525-ish hp.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Ford Authority has been reporting targets of 525 hp / 470 lb-ft, so the Bullitt 5.0L as a starting point is all but a given. Not a lot you can do to a naturally aspirated 5.0L to increase output 45 hp and still meet emissions. So I'll start the rumor here...


Bullitt 5.0L + Explorer Hybrid emotor = 533.6 hp.

I think it could go a couple ways.
Most likely: 500-ish PP2 with Cup2s, coolers, and a Tremec. 10AT as an option. I'll give it a 70% chance.

Possible: The 10AT option could include a hybrid system at 525-ish hp.

That would be a very interesting route...

[Mountain]

I take back my comment on the MT-82... I think a Tremec will go in. Here's why:

This car is stated by Ford to be the most track-capable 5.0L Mustang. It clearly has some coolers added to it. Well... the MT-82 does NOT have provisions for a cooling pump for a transmission cooler. The Tremec's do. If you wanted to add a cooler to the MT-82, it will add significant cost in implementation in either 1. an electric pump plumbed in-line or 2. a re-design of the MT-82 to incorporate a mechanical pump (like tthe Tremec units do).

The easier and cheaper button is to just install the GT350 TR3160.

[Mountain]

Originally Posted by shaffe

I will believe it when I see it. I think it will probably be 495 or 500 even. To get 525 would be a pretty aggressive set up from the factory wouldn't it?

If they ring the car out to 7,800 or something, I can see them getting that HP number, but the 450 lb-ft of torque... I mean, I guess, but that 30 lb-ft extra has my attention as to how they get that. Ford is typically conservative with their tunes, so maybe they'll just not do that...

Has me wondering if we could see a 5.0L version of the Aluminator:
https://performanceparts.ford.com/part/M-6007-A52XS

It's basically CPC version of the GT350 FPC, hopped up a little.

Maybe a Gen 3 Coyote (5.0L) with these items from the Aluminator/GT350:
-Ported/improved GT350 heads
-Similar cams to the Aluminator
-GT350/R valvetrain components
-Boss 302/Cobra Jet style "runner-in-box" intake

[L78toLT1]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Ford Authority has been reporting targets of 525 hp / 470 lb-ft, so the Bullitt 5.0L as a starting point is all but a given. Not a lot you can do to a naturally aspirated 5.0L to increase output 45 hp and still meet emissions. So I'll start the rumor here...


Bullitt 5.0L + Explorer Hybrid emotor = 533.6 hp.

I think it could go a couple ways.
Most likely: 500-ish PP2 with Cup2s, coolers, and a Tremec. 10AT as an option. I'll give it a 70% chance.

Possible: The 10AT option could include a hybrid system at 525-ish hp.

I wonder what the Bullitt / Explorer Hybrid would tip the scales at?

[oldman]

not feeling it, hybrid = weight

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by L78toLT1

I wonder what the Bullitt / Explorer Hybrid would tip the scales at?

Originally Posted by oldman

not feeling it, hybrid = weight

Hybrid option adds about 300# to Explorer.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Bullitt 5.0L + Explorer Hybrid emotor = 533.6 hp.

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Hybrid option adds about 300# to Explorer.

3,850 lbs + 300 lbs = 4,150 lbs / 533.6 hp?

gen5 ZL1 = 4,120 lbs / 580 hp



Is this a track car or are they going for 0 to 60 mph?

[oldman]

flatplane and better headers, better intake, better CAI = zero weight. I should also add that I have raced 9,000+ plus Honda engines for a long while and even with carbon syncros and a way smaller trans, it is hard on parts shifting at high RPM. The tremec IMO is just too big with gears too heavy, it is build for a high torque load so unless the new Mustang is hybrid (high torque load), a smaller gear size trans would probably be better.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by hotlap

3,850 lbs + 300 lbs = 4,150 lbs / 533.6 hp?

gen5 ZL1 = 4,120 lbs / 580 hp



Is this a track car or are they going for 0 to 60 mph?

Those numbers are what they are. I doubt Ford can/will do much about the mass because the architecture is what it is. But don’t forget that the torque assist from an eMotor would be immediate, so the performance comparison would not be a straight lb/hp calculation.

[Fraxum]

OP I would say Mustang already has a true SS 1LE competitor. At least for a couple of laps. For 99% of us that is all we will ever use. And yea I hope the Mustangers get the Tremec. It is sooooo good.

Hello Martinjlm.

[Laststandard]

Originally Posted by Fraxum

OP I would say Mustang already has a true SS 1LE competitor. At least for a couple of laps.

That's the thing, though. A 1LE can run laps for a full HPDE session. If I put down big money for a 'track package' car that had to take a cool down lap for every 4-5 laps driven I'd be pretty irritated.

[ST1LE]

Originally Posted by Laststandard

That's the thing, though. A 1LE can run laps for a full HPDE session. If I put down big money for a 'track package' car that had to take a cool down lap for every 4-5 laps driven I'd be pretty irritated.

Not to mention the longevity issues it would cause those parts to be overheated like that every time.

The 1LE also has much better street tires. The PP2 is a joke, it is not a true competitor to the 1LE.

The Mach 1 will come with MPS4S I think and coolers for the track. So it should run at the track and on the street with the 1LE, the only Mustang that can currently do that is the GT350(before they came with Cup 2s).

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

Ford Authority has been reporting targets of 525 hp / 470 lb-ft, so the Bullitt 5.0L as a starting point is all but a given. Not a lot you can do to a naturally aspirated 5.0L to increase output 45 hp and still meet emissions. So I'll start the rumor here...


Bullitt 5.0L + Explorer Hybrid emotor = 533.6 hp.

I think it could go a couple ways.
Most likely: 500-ish PP2 with Cup2s, coolers, and a Tremec. 10AT as an option. I'll give it a 70% chance.

Possible: The 10AT option could include a hybrid system at 525-ish hp.

Now I know it isn't apples to apples but since its a turbo vs na but the explorer hybrid system in the Aviator bumps HP up from 400 to 494 ( and a boat load more torque) Wouldn't it be able to do more in the 5.0 or no because it's NA?