[Mcardenal]

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

The ZR1 is not 3300 lbs, its 3600 + lbs. If you cant see where Camaro needs to catch up, all I can say is you need to look a little closer. You have to leave corvette out of this , the war is between Dodge, Mustang, Camaro.

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[redone000]

Originally Posted by Mcardenal

Ok ��
Let me correct that.
3600 lb curb weight with 755HP (.21HP per pound)
Still more HP than a Demon or Redeye��
Also, why does this conversation have to exclude the ZR1?
A Demon goes for well over $120K. That’s about what a ZR1 goes for. Wasn’t the question about what GM would do in response to Dodge?
My response is that they already have.
A ZL1 has more HP per pound than a Hellcat and ZR1 has more HP per pound than a Demon (period)
GM Wins the HP WAR��

I was just at a seattle doge dealer. They had a demon that was 89k plus 15k for the surcharge, well under 120k. Sold in a day.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Faster12

Boy I tell you...people get into their feelings about cars huh? The goal here is to be objective in your answers, not to get in your feelings because I made valid points and I asked people with inside knowledge to lend an opinion. I don't recall praising anything, I merely stated facts as they are available from virtually any source. Getting "freaked out" by HP numbers isn't something I do. I own a 5th gen ZL1 just north of 700hp. I merely asked questions based on the info about each car....then I hoped some people with ACTUAL knowledge, as I requested in my post, would chime in and give me a rundown of GMs philosophy so to speak. If I asked why honey wheat bread isn't sweet, when Hawaiian sweet rolls are, would you be so offended? Would you so ardently come to trash talk me then? You are out fighting for the wrong cause. You suggestion that I don't "give 2 shits about the ZL1" and GM not "giving 2 shits about" what I want, were a bit much.

Intelligent, educated debate is what I'm after here. Teach people on the forum, don't just shoot shit and be the internet hero of the day. I wished people still knew how to read AND comprehend.

I gave you a legit reply and countered all of your complaints with factual information. Everything I said was based on facts. And you have no reply besides this? Lol! And getting in my feelings? Man knock that shit off. You have no reply except for this typical garbage. Fact is you saw "797" HP and didn't even rationalize that it took the Hellcat 4 MYs to make 1 change. The GT500 has been gone since 2014 and won't be back until 2020 which makes 6 MYs. The 6th Gen ZL1 just came out 1 MY ago and currently cannot be beat in any performance category by anything less than the price of a Z06 and is fully optioned and does everything well and is cheaper than it's competition and you're telling me all of that is not good enough? Face it, you're number hungry. All that matters to you is how much HP a car has regardless of anything else.

[396ssrat]

Hell, I'd love more horsepower. Another set of heads and an intake would do it.
No such thing as too much power, just not enough suspension and tire.

[mdmoore23]

Originally Posted by Dethsupp0rt

Every Shelby Mustang until the '07 GT500 was available with an auto, so there's no silly tradition to maintain there.

Originally Posted by Revalot

Maybe GM should give us more hp, less handling, and a live axle , wait that's a hellcat ! GM is doing a fine job. If you want more, mod it or buy a ZR1 ! I think it's great that you can get a ZL1 1LE for way less than sticker, hit a road course or a great back road at 1g force and drive it home. Most test drivers say the 1LE needs a roll cage, it's that mean ! I'm hoping I can get my hands on one. I see Z06s,C6, C7, and stingrays all the time, I hardly see ZL1 1LE out and that makes it rare. I love back roads and tracks, and I'm coming with the funds to enjoy, and if I catch a hellcat on the back roads or track, I will skin it ! Or on the hwy I will mod mine and run that back cat over ! LOL

A bit of misinformation in these comments. No stock Shelby GT500 has ever been offered with an auto this far. And Hellcats dont have live axles, they have IRS.

[Mcardenal]

Originally Posted by redone000

I was just at a seattle doge dealer. They had a demon that was 89k plus 15k for the surcharge, well under 120k. Sold in a day.

👍

[396ssrat]

Originally Posted by Mcardenal

Ok 👍
Let me correct that.
3600 lb curb weight with 755HP (.21HP per pound)
Still more HP than a Demon or Redeye🤔
Also, why does this conversation have to exclude the ZR1?
A Demon goes for well over $120K. That’s about what a ZR1 goes for. Wasn’t the question about what GM would do in response to Dodge?
My response is that they already have.
A ZL1 has more HP per pound than a Hellcat and ZR1 has more HP per pound than a Demon (period)
GM Wins the HP WAR😏

A buddy bought 4 Demons. +/-95k out the door depending on options. Yes, some paid more but the Demon IS a limited production vehicle and some people just plain don't know how to shop.

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by Mcardenal

Ok ��
Let me correct that.
3600 lb curb weight with 755HP (.21HP per pound)
Still more HP than a Demon or Redeye��
Also, why does this conversation have to exclude the ZR1?
A Demon goes for well over $120K. That’s about what a ZR1 goes for. Wasn’t the question about what GM would do in response to Dodge?
My response is that they already have.
A ZL1 has more HP per pound than a Hellcat and ZR1 has more HP per pound than a Demon (period)
GM Wins the HP WAR��

I think the main interest is what is the Camaro ZL1 going to do against the redeye and the new Gt500 coming. What is the Camaro SS going to do against the 2018 mustang GT 460 horse, the bullitt 480 horse , what is Camaro SS going to do against the Challenger 485 horse. Dodge has the most horsepower period, The new GT 500 is going to have way more horsepower than the ZL1 and the old one always did. These cars all compete in the same arena, Corvette has its own agenda and arena.

[Koldunic]

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

I think the main interest is what is the Camaro ZL1 going to do against the redeye and the new Gt500 coming. What is the Camaro SS going to do against the 2018 mustang GT 460 horse, the bullitt 480 horse , what is Camaro SS going to do against the Challenger 485 horse. Dodge has the most horsepower period, The new GT 500 is going to have way more horsepower than the ZL1 and the old one always did. These cars all compete in the same arena, Corvette has its own agenda and arena.

I fail to understand how the ZL1 and the Challenger compete in the same arena.

The only competition will come from the GT500.

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by Koldunic

I fail to understand how the ZL1 and the Challenger compete in the same arena.

The only competition will come from the GT500.

I am referring to the real world street people where 99 % of us compete or have fun , drag, roll race etc , not on a road course.

That's where the Mustang , the Camaro, and the Challenger in every possible configuration compete head to head.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by Koldunic

I fail to understand how the ZL1 and the Challenger compete in the same arena.

The only competition will come from the GT500.

Domestic Coupes with supercharged V-8 engines in the 60K price range from "value" brands. Despite what anyone says the two cars compete for sales in the same demographic.

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by shaffe

Domestic Coupes with supercharged V-8 engines in the 60K price range from "value" brands. Despite what anyone says the two cars compete for sales in the same demographic.

Mustang, Camaro, Challenger all compete in that demographic since the GT500, the ZL1, and the Hellcat, all supercharged and all in the high 50 to 60k range.

[Xlr8ion]

On a road course i will put my 1-LE up against any of those cars and wip their asses.

[Mister Will]

Why isn't the ZR1 considered an answer from GM?