[Burly]

Originally Posted by JFM-jr

Apparently you need to put a dislaimer on that 11.07 run that it was done in negative 1500 foot DA.

And it was a full moon and out going tide.

[PRAY]

60 mph tail wind on a 1,100ft track that faces south and is down hill.

[PRAY]

Originally Posted by Blk16SS

So we base every thing on one individual test ,one individual shop right along with one individual car? Not buying it... Just like his test said a slight drop in torque on the MSD also... Not signing up to the one shop one test is law deal... And also a full exhaust will give you right at 30 rwhp. I've seen it with my own eyes... Just gotta know what parts to pick..... The headers he used are dynoing less than another leading competitor. And I will just leave it at that....

Hit me with the info on that set up in a PM please. I may be in the market. Thanks.

[AndyUK]

Originally Posted by Blk16SS

So we base every thing on one individual test ,one individual shop right along with one individual car? Not buying it... Just like his test said a slight drop in torque on the MSD also... Not signing up to the one shop one test is law deal... And also a full exhaust will give you right at 30 rwhp. I've seen it with my own eyes... Just gotta know what parts to pick..... The headers he used are dynoing less than another leading competitor. And I will just leave it at that....

No, there have been several people post their results with headers and its pretty consistently been with other parts and a tune where it's given any more than 10-15, that was just the easiest to point to.

If you have isolated before and after dyno results showing something different then please post them up so we can expand our collective knowledge base

[Blk16SS]

Originally Posted by AndyUK

No, there have been several people post their results with headers and its pretty consistently been with other parts and a tune where it's given any more than 10-15, that was just the easiest to point to.

If you have isolated before and after dyno results showing something different then please post them up so we can expand our collective knowledge base

First of all , I did say this in regards to full exhaust, not just headers alone. Also, I'm not a seller of said parts so it's not my place to say which brand of part X is better than part Y. Since I have zero irons in the fire, saying X is better than Y isn't fair to the manufacturer who spends millions on R&D on a particular product to sell to us consumers . Our opinions matter. Just take the CAI systems and ROTO-FAB situation. I think they would have a street fight if given a chance. So I'm going to stand in the mud on this one and let the parts speak for themselves. If it makes power, and fits good , then it probably will sell good based purely on word of mouth.. My question to you would be , have you sat in on ANY of the dyno sessions that claim 10-15 hp? There are a number variables to consider....

[DFW1LE]

One thing about dyno's, the results they produce are not fool proof, change some input variables or even how tightly you lash a car down between pulls and the results can vary on a particular dyno, let alone between different dynos and shops. No doubt a dyno is a great tool to quickly see how incremental changes are effecting your car, but trying to compare different cars and results from different shops could drive you crazy.

[Blk16SS]

Originally Posted by DFW1LE

One thing about dyno's, the results they produce are not fool proof, change some input variables or even how tightly you lash a car down between pulls and the results can vary on a particular dyno, let alone between different dynos and shops. No doubt a dyno is a great tool to quickly see how incremental changes are effecting your car, but trying to compare different cars and results from different shops could drive you crazy.

+1.... Also one more thing I could add to this is to not get too caught up into peak numbers. What makes the car fast (or quick) is hp under the curve..Ok maybe it made 10-15 peak hp for example. What did it make at 3000 rpms when you're 30-40 ft off the starting line? Some LT headers show as much as 30hp under the curve. Is the torque curve flat and linear to the climbing rpms? Are the headers coated to help speed up the exhaust gases when the headers are boiling hot on a full throttle pass? It's the small details that make a great car that much better..

[Snowblind]

Originally Posted by Jawsh_TxLsx

E85 and tune, hands down, best bang for the buck. And I've sprayed one of these with 150 wet shot on e85 and haven't had fuel shortage issues yet, granted he wasn't full bolt ons. But was still able to go in the 6's with just e85 and nitrous, nothing else.

So you mention this in passing and no one thinks to asks any questions ?? Vid or it didn't happen

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

You can run either any time you want with the flex e85 tune.

Worse fuel economy. But cheaper. Works out to be about the same depending on prices.

Spot on here, more power is not free...but it is alllmost negligible

Originally Posted by Fraxum

Makes me want an automatic.

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I fixed it for ya

Their is no disputing PRAY has blazed the trail with the recipe for getting close to 10's na, big kudos to you bro. I will be following in your footsteps come spring and I hope to come close to what you have done.

I have really given a lot of thought to a gear swap this winter to either a 3.23? or the 3.73, conventional old gearhead thinking is that first gear would be too steep with the M6 rear set and useless..... but this is not your rich uncles Rossler 400 that only has 3 forward gears, and if you harness it then we can really see what the A8 is capable of. I'm gonna step out on a ledge and say the gear swap could possibly net a 1.4 '60 (with a setup like PRAYs) and may no longer require a converter to get you moving.

[AndyUK]

Originally Posted by Blk16SS

First of all , I did say this in regards to full exhaust, not just headers alone.

Full exhaust with headers is going to be like, what, $4k?
Even using your 30-40hp (which i struggle with as you wont point to any evidence)

That still doesnt sound like good bang for buck when that same 4k would get you most of the way to a supercharger that would be more like 150hp+ add.

If the stock headers were a problem then you would expect a supercharged application to show big gains, but the guys that have SC'd and then done headers havent even shown big gains with headers.

The OP's question was best bang for buck. $3-400 for a flex fuel sensor to get 30hp vs. $4k for (you claim) 40hp?
Thats not anywhere in the same league in terms of bang for buck.

[1LE801]

Save up your money and buy a blower. You'll spend nearly the same money doing full bolt one and you won't have the power that the blower will make. I know it's hard to wait but I've gone the bolt on route and then the blower route and I'll never stay N/A again. The Maggie keeps cool and if you add Meth, it's even better. Prices are going to level out here sooner or later and you'll be able to get into a Maggie for prices that will make it a no brainer.

[oldman]

Pray with not even FBO, is already in the 10s. More than enough. I tossed around both, glad I went to FBO, more than enough.

Basically even NA the car can be traction limited at an legal speed, the rest is just bragging rights not actual performance..

Plus the numbers don't add up:
$900 LT and off road pipe
$750 for tune and E85
$55 mod box and green filter
$1100 for MSD
Free ported TB
sub $3000, cheaper if you just port your own manifold now it is below $2000, so much for might as well get a blower cause that is 2 to 3.5x more expensive (that is not "close to the same cost"), and we all know the blower is going to lead to most of the above AND more right?

[BowtieRocket]

Might wanna checkout QTP cutouts too. They advertise about 17/17 as well...

[oldman]

Originally Posted by BowtieRocket

Might wanna checkout QTP cutouts too. They advertise about 17/17 as well...

Love the QTP setup

https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=...81811104377170

[Blk16SS]

Originally Posted by AndyUK

Full exhaust with headers is going to be like, what, $4k?
Even using your 30-40hp (which i struggle with as you wont point to any evidence)

That still doesnt sound like good bang for buck when that same 4k would get you most of the way to a supercharger that would be more like 150hp+ add.

If the stock headers were a problem then you would expect a supercharged application to show big gains, but the guys that have SC'd and then done headers havent even shown big gains with headers.

The OP's question was best bang for buck. $3-400 for a flex fuel sensor to get 30hp vs. $4k for (you claim) 40hp?
Thats not anywhere in the same league in terms of bang for buck.

Most of the way on a supercharger? Lol you're just halfway there... You're looking at $8000- $10000 including install and tune, depending on which blower you choose. The cheapest in price could be a procharger and I'm only guessing on that. $5600+ $400 on the high flow heat exchanger. What $1000- $1500 to install + another $500- $650 to tune it? So no it ain't cheap either. Flex fuel kit , install and tune is $1000- $1200 so that's a costly move too.. I don't know if it's a best bang for buck deal on these $50k cars...