[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Most of the "R's" will have no AC. I believe the ones they use in the test are AC free...ugh!

Can't use it on the track anyway...but it makes it useless as a daily driver down here in the south. Hell, it would suck as a weekend warrior, it's hot as hell here in the summer.

[SpookShow'84]

Gt350R, so rare the dealers rape everyone. This one on ebay is at $80k and still hasn't broken the reserve. The MSRP price will never happen on an "R".

http://m.ebay.com/itm/222235013440

The 1LE is about $43-45k, dealers may have some but most here would order or get the 1LE for pretty close to that number.

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

I worked for Delphi back in 1999 after they split from GM. GM purchases their suspension components the same as Ford does. You seem to be grasping at straws my friend.

So you are saying GM had no involvement in the engineering process of magnetic ride control?

I hope not...as my uncle worked for GM, specifically Cadillac, and was on the engineering team. GM worked directly with Delphi to develop the system and fine tune its function. First car to have it installed was the early 2000's Cadillac STS believe it or not, if memory serves me right...

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

Can't use it on the track anyway...but it makes it useless as a daily driver down here in the south. Hell, it would suck as a weekend warrior, it's hot as hell here in the summer.

I agree, AC is a must. Funny thing is when they tested the 5Gen Z/28 it always had AC.

[Cam 6]

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

So you are saying GM had no involvement in the engineering process of magnetic ride control?

I hope not...as my uncle worked for GM, specifically Caddilac, and was on the engineering team. GM worked directly with Delphi to develop the system and fine tune its function. First car to have it installed was the early 2000's Caddilac STS believe it or not, if memory serves me right...

On a side note, Ferrari contracted Delphi to supply MRC shocks for use on their cars.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

So you are saying GM had no involvement in the engineering process of magnetic ride control?

I hope not...as my uncle worked for GM, specifically Cadillac, and was on the engineering team. GM worked directly with Delphi to develop the system and fine tune its function. First car to have it installed was the early 2000's Cadillac STS believe it or not, if memory serves me right...

Yes GM/MR vs Ford/CF Wheels is definitely apples and oranges.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by SS 1LE

So you are saying GM had no involvement in the engineering process of magnetic ride control?

I hope not...as my uncle worked for GM, specifically Caddilac, and was on the engineering team. GM worked directly with Delphi to develop the system and fine tune its function. First car to have it installed was the early 2000's Caddilac STS believe it or not, if memory serves me right...

I'm saying GM had no more engineering done in regards to the Alpha platform and mag suspension than Ford did with the S550 platform and mag suspension. The both purchase the parts from the same supplier...Delphi. They both specify their engineering specs. This works the same for any wheel supplier. Auto manufacturers dictate the spec requirements and the supplier supplies the design. My point was, to say that Ford somehow cheated by sourcing a high end wheel supplier is no different than GM cheating by sourcing a high end suspension supplier. It's all total BS.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Yes GM/MR vs Ford/CF Wheels is definitely apples and oranges.

Nope, they are both supplier supplied components. GM doesn't engineer or manufacture them, they give Delphi their specification requirements and purchase them for their vehicles. If that's not apples to apples, I don't know what is.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

I'm saying GM had no more engineering done in regards to the Alpha platform and mag suspension than Ford did with the S550 platform and mag suspension. The both purchase the parts from the same supplier...Delphi. They both specify their engineering specs. This works the same for any wheel supplier. Auto manufacturers dictate the spec requirements and the supplier supplies the design. My point was, to say that Ford somehow cheated by sourcing a high end wheel supplier is no different than GM cheating by sourcing a high end suspension supplier. It's all total BS.

I'll just leave this here.

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...lac-video.html

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

I'll just leave this here.

http://www.autoguide.com/auto-news/2...lac-video.html

Why don't you look up BWI on the Hong Kong stock exchange and re-read my previous posts. Cadillac doesn't own them, nor does GM. GM has as much claim to the magnaride suspension in the same way Ford has with the MacPherson strut. BWI is not GM, nor was the previous owner (Delphi) since 1999.

That article is complete garbage and totally misleading. GM own's no rights to Magnetorheological damper systems, as it along with all other manufacturers license and purchase the components from BWI.

Edit:

just realized that BWI isn't publicy traded on the NYSE lol.

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

Why don't you look up BWI on the Hong Kong stock exchange and re-read my previous posts. Cadillac doesn't own them, nor does GM. GM has as much claim to the magnaride suspension in the same way Ford has with the MacPherson strut. BWI is not GM, nor was the previous owner (Delphi) since 1999.

That article is complete garbage and totally misleading. GM own's no rights to Magnetorheological damper systems, as it along with all other manufacturers license and purchase the components from BWI.

Edit:

just realized that BWI isn't publicy traded on the NYSE lol.

Didn't they purchase it after the fact?? GM owned Lotus (it was there at the beginning) and part of Delphi when MR was being developed for Caddilac and the Corvette.

[Mustang Fanboy]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Didn't they purchase it after the fact?? GM owned Lotus (it was there at the beginning) and part of Delphi when MR was being developed for Caddilac and the Corvette.

Very true, but that has nothing to do with the current vehicles and hasn't been for quite some time (hence my McPherson analogy). My point was, GM doesn't engineer these components, they give engineering specs and purchase them (as does Ford). This is the same thing they do with wheels. Neither company manufacture wheels...they are all vendor supplied with engineering specs given (I used to design OEM wheels for Alcoa).

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Mustang Fanboy

Very true, but that has nothing to do with the current vehicles and hasn't been for quite some time (hence my McPherson analogy). My point was, GM doesn't engineer these components, they give engineering specs and purchase them (as does Ford). This is the same thing they do with wheels. Neither company manufacture wheels...they are all vendor supplied with engineering specs given (I used to design OEM wheels for Alcoa).

BUT, they did originally engineer it!

I'm back to the Corvette forum...I do like the Camaro, however I've ordered a Grand Sport/Z07 due in next week. Oh, it has MR.

[DrkPhx]

MRC was developed by Delphi when it was still owned by GM in the late 90's. GM licensed the rights to Audi and Ferrari in the early 2000's, but Delphi still owned the patent. Delphi sold it to BWI in 2009 when they filed for bankruptcy. The 02 Cadillac STS and 03 Vette were the first GM vehicles to get the tech.