[nvrsatisfied]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

The 2012 and 2013 Boss 302 would like to have a word with you.

Compared to the outgoing generation, the Gen 6 Camaro is NOT selling as well and you don't know what GM's sales goals were, but it was obvious they were hoping to be higher due to adding a shift at LGR for more production and then only selling a total of less than 9,000 Alpha cars for the entire month. You're making an assumption that GM is pleased with the sales, they've not said how they felt one way or another.

The same as you and others are making the assumption without knowing the numbers as well. How do you like your Gen6?

[SpookShow'84]

Different platform, same quality of builds. Look at what Chevy did to the blue one.

The huge gold bow tie looks bad!

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by nvrsatisfied

The same as you and others are making the assumption without knowing the numbers as well. How do you like your Gen6?

I don't have to have a Gen 6 to have an opinion, if that was the case there are a lot more people than me on this forum who would be disqualified from speaking about the Camaro.

I'm not making an assumption about the Gen 6 vs Gen 5 sales, that's raw data. What I'm not making an assumption about is about GM's satisfaction with the sales one way or another.

[Blacksapphire]

Originally Posted by SpookShow'84

Different platform, same quality of builds. Look at what Chevy did to the blue one.

The huge gold bow tie looks bad!

Agreed, a black bow tie would be better. I still have my front bow tie on my 2016 because it's black and the grille has the bow tie shape still in it even if you take it off. I'd be more accepting if it was a "flowtie"

[buck_dawg_gold]

Originally Posted by Waiting46

"most"? maybe here, but I very much doubt that there are 250k+ blacked out/removed chevy badge cars....

If the camaro came unbadged without the the bowtie no one would lose sleep. That's what I was trying to say. It doesn't flow with the car. It stands out too much. Especially with this gen. Maybe I'm the minority in this line of thought but most if not all people don't care for the bowtie.

Not paying for 500K non value add badges should be a no brainier for GM.

But maybe you're right maybe GM would not sell a single Camaro without the bowtie. The bowtie adds like 30 hp and creates 40lb of torque....

No one cares if the camaro does not come with a bowtie. Delete it and save money.

[Copperhead]

In the history of automakers, what car has ever been mass produced that was not badged by the maker with its particular symbol? You would never see a manufacturer not label one of their models as their own. And blacking out a bowtie is not always someone trying to hide it. Black bowties do look better, but you can get them OEM with black ties.
Most of the general public would not care if the car was unbadged, but it wouldn't make sense for Chevrolet to make a completely unbadged car (be it a Camaro or any other model).

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[FenwickHockey65]

GM is not going to sell a Camaro without a bowtie on it somewhere. Deal with it.

[buck_dawg_gold]

Originally Posted by Copperhead

In the history of automakers, what car has ever been mass produced that was not badged by the maker with its particular symbol? You would never see a manufacturer not label one of their models as their own. And blacking out a bowtie is not always someone trying to hide it. Black bowties do look better, but you can get them OEM with black ties.
Most of the general public would not care if the car was unbadged, but it wouldn't make sense for Chevrolet to make a completely unbadged car (be it a Camaro or any other model).

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If people know the camaro and corvette are made by Chevy why waste money on the bowtie. With the bow tie, in the US at least, all I see are diminishing returns.

[SpeedIsLife]

The bowtie on the Camaro is shared with several other models, including the outgoing Gen 5...

It's not a case of diminishing returns...

All I see is a group of people who are so entrenched in their proto-corvette mindset that they don't want to be associated with "common" Chevrolet's.

[buck_dawg_gold]

Originally Posted by SpeedIsLife

The bowtie on the Camaro is shared with several other models, including the outgoing Gen 5...

It's not a case of diminishing returns...

All I see is a group of people who are so entrenched in their proto-corvette mindset that they don't want to be associated with "common" Chevrolet's.

I'm not being elitist at all. I work in finance and analytics and was just thinking why not remove the bowtie. Easy cost savings. I read somewhere that the first batch of gen 5 camaros had the GM tag on the door. The next batch of camaros and other GM vehicles did not include this and GM saved millions by removing this. Seems like a similar opportunity for cost savings.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by buck_dawg_gold

I'm not being elitist at all. I work in finance and analytics and was just thinking why not remove the bowtie. Easy cost savings. I read somewhere that the first batch of gen 5 camaros had the GM tag on the door. The next batch of camaros and other GM vehicles did not include this and GM saved millions by removing this. Seems like a similar opportunity for cost savings.

Marketing.

[buck_dawg_gold]

Originally Posted by FenwickHockey65

Marketing.

Agree to disagree... I still say diminished returns. I'm done good chat.

[FenwickHockey65]

Originally Posted by buck_dawg_gold

Agree to disagree... I still say diminished returns. I'm done good chat.

Not diminished returns when it drives people into showrooms.

Originally Posted by buck_dawg_gold

If people know the camaro and corvette are made by Chevy why waste money on the bowtie. With the bow tie, in the US at least, all I see are diminishing returns.

The vast majority of people out there don't know or care what a Camaro is or who makes it. They just see it as a cool car. Then they find out it's a Chevrolet from the bowtie and stop by a dealer just to look at one while car shopping, then test drive a Malibu and drive home in that.

[crankaholic]

Originally Posted by buck_dawg_gold

If the camaro came unbadged without the the bowtie no one would lose sleep. That's what I was trying to say. It doesn't flow with the car. It stands out too much. Especially with this gen. Maybe I'm the minority in this line of thought but most if not all people don't care for the bowtie.

Not paying for 500K non value add badges should be a no brainier for GM.

But maybe you're right maybe GM would not sell a single Camaro without the bowtie. The bowtie adds like 30 hp and creates 40lb of torque....

No one cares if the camaro does not come with a bowtie. Delete it and save money.

You can make that argument for any non-luxury brand... if people don't blindly buy your product because of the badge and they want something "nice"... why put the logo there in the first place am I right!

In this case (Camaro) it actually makes more sense for Chevy to use their emblem. Most people see the Camaro as a really cool looking sports car, and if they see/hear it accelerate then they think it's even cooler. Once they realize it's a Chevy they're dumbfounded that they haven't just been manufacturing a '99 Impala since the '60s and might actually check out the showroom next time they're looking for a car. At least that's the point.