[cartem2]

All I see is Camaro's numbers rising and Mustangs numbers dropping, and that's during a transition month when not even all the new Camaro modles are available. Wait till spring when the 4 cylinders are out in force. Camaro's numbers will continue to rise each month this year wile Mustangs numbers will remain flat I'm sure of that.

[Marine Corps]

I think what is most important is that GM reaches their goal in Camaro sales to keep the brand going. That they continue to improve the car based on what buyers want. I think GM learned their lesson from the past and will continue to improve the Camaro. Competition from Ford and Dodge is a good thing. Personally I don't care if Camaros are out-solded by the other brands. What does that mean, really? Why do you care? All three brands have good cars with high demands. I'd have a Hellcat, a GT 350, and a 2SS Camaro in my garage if I could afford it.

[Number 3]

Originally Posted by Bongos2U

Why would anyone want to void their warranty for a small boost? the people who care about fuel economy and want the t4 aren't looking to risk losing their warranty. a few tuners, yes, but tuners aren't the majority.

if I were in the market for a fuel efficient t4 that could give me performance bragging rights as soon as I leave the lot, I'd go with the mustang.

Camaro has an uphill battle this year.



I heard awhile back that Ford Racing was going to offer a tune for the Ecoboost Mustang that would not void the warranty. Has anybody heard anything about this recently?

It would be great if Chevrolet Performance would offer stage kits for the T4 Camaro (that would also not void the warranty).

GM already has this for the 2.0T in the Solstice/Sky as well as the Cobalt SS and HHR. But hat was already the top engine. I think GM may just want folks stepping up to the V6. We will see. I put the GMPP calibration in my Sky Redline and it was a very noticeable improvement and it maintained the warranty.

Originally Posted by motorhead

I'm seeing this very differently. Mark my words. Camaro will be ahead in sales by June.

Those reports speak volumes. I would bet that the GM bean counters are very pleased with that result.

You are right and the volume says Camaro is slow out of the gate.

Originally Posted by Disarmer

Why would Chevy be advertising heavily now? They already can't get them out of the factory fast enough. Once production catches up, then you'll see the marketing show up. Satisfy the early adopters that have been waiting for this for a long time, and then go after the general public. It just makes sense from a money standpoint. No reason to spend the money advertising when you already can't keep up.

We're do you get that? No data would suggest that.

Originally Posted by cartem2

All I see is Camaro's numbers rising and Mustangs numbers dropping, and that's during a transition month when not even all the new Camaro modles are available. Wait till spring when the 4 cylinders are out in force. Camaro's numbers will continue to rise each month this year wile Mustangs numbers will remain flat I'm sure of that.

Yes the 2.0 will help. But it's only a $1,500 cheaper car. So I wouldn't look for any giant increase for the 2.0T. If it were a big seller GM would have launched with it.

As for the convertiblele? I hope it does well. But for the many complaining about the coupe price being too high the convertible will be even more. The awesome new top mechanism with power tonneau will add an even higher premium.

[Mr Monte]

The dealership I buy my Chevys from has some 2016 Camaros on order but hasn't received any yet.

I gotta a feeling 2.0T Camaros are going to be a big seller. I know my youngest son (26 years old) plans on buying one.

[shaffe]

I will still wait until May or so when its nice out for most of the country before I make any judgments.

[motorhead]

Originally Posted by Number 3

You are right and the volume says Camaro is slow out of the gate.

Beginning volume is down compared to last year at this time indeed. I guess i was looking at the mustang drop as the Camaro cutting into it's sales. The next couple of months should be interesting. Maybe the fire for these types of cars is dying down in general.

[Techn9cian805]

i have a feeling that the gen6 Camaro is going to see the same problem the CTS has: its a great car, praised by many for its performance and improvement, but its not going to translate to increased sales. i honestly think the high cost and lateness to battle with ford is going to do some damage.

I personally don't care much either way, as long as i get mine

[SpeedIsLife]

Originally Posted by motorhead

Beginning volume is down compared to last year at this time indeed. I guess i was looking at the mustang drop as the Camaro cutting into it's sales. The next couple of months should be interesting. Maybe the fire for these types of cars is dying down in general.

The Mustang dropped, but the Camaro only increased 185 cars from December to January. I'm sure a few of those sales are from people who bought a Camaro instead of a Mustang, but I suspect the Mustang drop was due to people choosing another car over the Mustang, not just the Camaro.

Historically (based on the 5th Gen) March-July have been the strong months for the Camaro, with numbers rising in March and dropping sharply in August. April and May were the peaks, with numbers over 10,000 in 2011 and 2012.

If there is going to be a 6th Gen spike...it's going to be in the April-May-June time.

[KMPrenger]

Originally Posted by Techn9cian805

why would anyone want to void their warranty for a small boost? the people who care about fuel economy and want the t4 aren't looking to risk losing their warranty. a few tuners, yes, but tuners aren't the majority.

if I were in the market for a fuel efficient t4 that could give me performance bragging rights as soon as I leave the lot, I'd go with the mustang.

Camaro has an uphill battle this year.



here's hoping. they need the boost

Concerning the turbo models, you might need to do more research. 0 - 60 and 1/4 mile times are already out, and the Camaro T4 is quicker than the base V6 Mustang, and its 0 - 60 times and 1/4 mile times are close with the Ecoboost Mustang. The 0 - 60 is a few tenths of a second off, but its quarter mile is just a tenth off.

So when you speak of performance bragging rights...I'm not sure theres much more to brag about. T4 Camaro will be the better handling car for sure. Also, being a T4, a tune will add tons of performance, just the same as the Ecoboost. Ecoboost might be able to put up somewhat bigger HP/TQ numbers at the same boost level being a slightly larger engine, but that Camaro has a nice weight advantage that helps to eat up that difference.

In terms of fuel economy, the Camaro wins in that department.

[Techn9cian805]

Originally Posted by KMPrenger

Concerning the turbo models, you might need to do more research. 0 - 60 and 1/4 mile times are already out, and the Camaro T4 is quicker than the base V6 Mustang, and its 0 - 60 times and 1/4 mile times are close with the Ecoboost Mustang. The 0 - 60 is a few tenths of a second off, but its quarter mile is just a tenth off.

So when you speak of performance bragging rights...I'm not sure theres much more to brag about. T4 Camaro will be the better handling car for sure. Also, being a T4, a tune will add tons of performance, just the same as the Ecoboost. Ecoboost might be able to put up somewhat bigger HP/TQ numbers at the same boost level being a slightly larger engine, but that Camaro has a nice weight advantage that helps to eat up that difference.

In terms of fuel economy, the Camaro wins in that department.

like I said, the tuners are a minority of the ecoboost buyers, most aren't looking to void their warranty, so assuming the Camaro market for t4's is the same, I will stand by my words.

also, I am aware that the t4 Camaro is meant to compete with the v6 mustang, but like I said, the consumers in the market for a t4 are looking to compare t4 vs t4, and speed performance wise, the mustang wins. handling wise, yeah, the Camaro may have the advantage, but that's not the first thing "performance" car buyers look for. if that were true, then the oh-so-slow scion FRS and subary BRZ would be selling more than all three pony cars... and that shit aint happening.

lets not forget, its still technically a pony battle, not a sports car battle in the minds of some buyers, so straight line speed is top priority, not the ability to take a turn.

[NASTY99Z28]

The dealer my girl works for has only received one and it was a fully loaded 2ss that had to be pulled from the floor because it came with a bad waterpump. I still haven't seen one in person.

[Disarmer]

Originally Posted by Number 3

We're do you get that? No data would suggest that.

The fact that many dealerships don't even have their first Camaro in yet. I've been trying to test drive one for weeks, but my local dealer still hasn't received their first one. I can't imagine that this is isolated to one dealer.

[Bongos2U]

..." so straight line speed is top priority, not the ability to take a turn".

Welcome to 1968. I think most young buyers of the Ecoboost and Camaro T4 will want the best of both worlds, in most cases.

The ability to take a turn at high speeds.

I think it was the Car and Driver comparison review of SS and GT that said in the twisties, they would most likely put the Mustang in the weeds while the Camaro kept on going at high speeds on winding roads.

Camaro T4 should have more than enough power, and be more fun to drive than the Mustang T4 due to the alpha chassis, reduced weight.

[Techn9cian805]

Originally Posted by Bongos2U

..." so straight line speed is top priority, not the ability to take a turn".

Welcome to 1968. I think most young buyers of the Ecoboost and Camaro T4 will want the best of both worlds, in most cases.

The ability to take a turn at high speeds.

I think it was the Car and Driver comparison review of SS and GT that said in the twisties, they would most likely put the Mustang in the weeds while the Camaro kept on going at high speeds on winding roads.

Camaro T4 should have more than enough power, and be more fun to drive than the Mustang T4 due to the alpha chassis, reduced weight.

in most cases? most of these cars are never going to see a track. most of these cars are used for stop-light races, if they are ever raced at all. some may want a well balanced performance car, but i seriously doubt that's the majority of the pony car market as a whole, let alone for the t4.

I'm also a Camaro fan here, don't think I'm just trying to put down the Camaro here with my posts, I'm just providing my opinion on the sales battle among the 3 ponies. but because I am a Camaro fan, not a "fanboy", I can see it for what it is. v8 vs v8? Camaro is superior to the mustang, no doubt. v6 vs v6 and t4 vs t4? there is plenty of room for doubt, and the bottom line is that the v8s aren't the top sellers by either brand; I believe the t4 will be the decider for this generation, and ford already has the upper hand with the early start and superior stock t4 (on paper, at least).