[hotlap]

Originally Posted by SUMMIT WHITE SS

Who includes taxes in the sticker price? Nobody, especially since it varies from state to state, with some states not paying taxes on new cars. There is no "base" model GT350 that you keep talking about. Even the "base" car has plenty of features standard like Sync, Recaros, full power, air con, keyless entry with prox key, etc, etc. What that car is about is the motor/trans/suspension anyway. I am not one of the people whining about or comparing the prices of either car in this thread. I think the new GT350 is a badass car for sure, I also think the new SS will be too. Just different...but I am not (and not saying you are, but they are in here) one of the Camaro leg humpers who can't give credit where credit is due.

I agree its asinine to add tax to the price. I think that has come in response to those bashing the Camaro using that tactic to elevate its cost.

The GT350 is badass, no doubt, but there is a base and options. Honestly, I don't get it.

Base GT350 is $49,995 but has neither the tech package ($7,500) to be a great street car or the track package ($6,500) to be a top track car. What is the identity of the base GT350?

[LesserO2Evils]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

I agree its asinine to add tax to the price. I think that has come in response to those bashing the Camaro using that tactic to elevate its cost.

The GT350 is badass, no doubt, but there is a base and options. Honestly, I don't get it.

Base GT350 is $49,995 but has neither the tech package ($7,500) to be a great street car or the track package ($6,500) to be a top track car. What is the identity of the base GT350?

That last part right there is EXACTLY my question! It can be an AMAZING track car. Im stoked to see it such a formidable force. But the keyword is CAN. If you option it as such. I guess exclusivisity of engine is the draw for a non R?

[chain777]

Originally Posted by ULTRAZLS1

Same as you...why do you care? you are posting on the subject as well.

And yes...you specifically used the word need in your post. and that a radio and ac was all that you needed. Then say you want to compare it to a 2ss.

im confused. it looked like you were making the same asinine argument the ford fanboys do. maybe you need to take off the glasses. if not i apologize. i am comparing apples to apples and 100 % fair. even said the same things apply to the z28...how am i being biased? try again buddy

and why am i butthurt? because I wont pretend 53 k (what you will actually pay if you get it for msrp after taxes and GG)for a base track oriented car is cheap? yes cheap compared to a z28. but the base wont beat a z28 (the info has been posted). the R will...at about 10k cheaper. bravo...thats awesome...they leapfrogged a 10 year old platform and 10 year old engine.

I believe part of the reason the price was so high was...A. nothing to compare it to at the time to drive the price down. And B. They had to over engineer a 10 year old platform to get those results.
Im thinking GM will be able to compete in the future at around the same price with some version of the camaro. If not ill sleep just fine. I will never own either. The battle that the masses will see and appreciate is the GT vs SS in my opinion anyways...which goes back and forth as well. in 17 the mustang may be back on top.

At the price point it is very impressive for what it can do. What else can i say? i renounce my camaro ownership plans and im jumping ship to spend 53k on a track oriented ford mustang? ok...

because i refuse to compare it to another loaded car? thats common sense.give me a break..this car is not a high volume car many people will buy.

sorry if my post was too long...guess you must not read many posts at all if they are over a few lines.

maybe you should have read my post...

If I read what you wrote in red, I'd say it's because Ford built a car that's about $15K cheaper than the Z/28 (the base R is the stripped out model comparable to the Z/28) that apparently out performs it?

And if your really not interested in a track oriented car, why would you care? Unless your pricing out a loaded SS and wondering if the price isn't starting to creep too close to a GT350. I know that's what I'd be thinking. Sure it's a base car, but where not talking about a stripped out car like the Z/28. It's still has all the basic creature comforts for a street car.

So I get where some people will question whether giving up some tech for more performance will be worth the trade-off. The price of a loaded SS and a base GT350 are close enough that the comparison is inevitable. It all depends on your priorities.

[chain777]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

I agree its asinine to add tax to the price. I think that has come in response to those bashing the Camaro using that tactic to elevate its cost.

The GT350 is badass, no doubt, but there is a base and options. Honestly, I don't get it.

Base GT350 is $49,995 but has neither the tech package ($7,500) to be a great street car or the track package ($6,500) to be a top track car. What is the identity of the base GT350?

I think the base car is for the person looking for the best street performance, but isn't a track rat or in need of all the tech.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by chain777

I think the base car is for the person looking for the best street performance, but isn't a track rat or in need of all the tech.

Best performance doing what? You need the track package to get the coolers. Think about that. An optional track package on a track car

[SuperSound]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

Base GT350 is $49,995 but has neither the tech package ($7,500) to be a great street car or the track package ($6,500) to be a top track car. What is the identity of the base GT350?

I view it as a bare bones faster GT. While it has power windows and locks (b/c as we know manual ones would add more weight) it does make due with a lot of those features that the average person wants on a DD. However it is exactly what all these "give me nothing but performance" guys ask for. So let's see how many actually buy one in this configuration. Either way, lots of bang and no necessary frills. Hope someone is happy.

Originally Posted by chain777

And if your really not interested in a track oriented car, why would you care? Unless your pricing out a loaded SS and wondering if the price isn't starting to creep too close to a GT350. I know that's what I'd be thinking. Sure it's a base car, but where not talking about a stripped out car like the Z/28. It's still has all the basic creature comforts for a street car.

So I get where some people will question whether giving up some tech for more performance will be worth the trade-off. The price of a loaded SS and a base GT350 are close enough that the comparison is inevitable. It all depends on your priorities.

You wouldn't compare a fully loaded Challenger RT to a 1SS would you? They are close in price. The 1SS is a much better performer is it not? The comparison on price is not valid since the cars are built for very different roles. There is no direct competitor in the Camaro right now for the GT350. Let's not forget you can price a GTPP Premium in the $40k range too, but I don't think it's competing against the GT350 base for sales either.

[Davy_Baby9]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

I view it as a bare bones faster GT. While it has power windows and locks (b/c as we know manual ones would add more weight) it does make due with a lot of those features that the average person wants on a DD. However it is exactly what all these "give me nothing but performance" guys ask for. So let's see how many actually buy one in this configuration. Either way, lots of bang and no necessary frills. Hope someone is happy.



You wouldn't compare a fully loaded Challenger RT to a 1SS would you? They are close in price. The 1SS is a much better performer is it not? The comparison on price is not valid since the cars are built for very different roles. There is no direct competitor in the Camaro right now for the GT350. Let's not forget you can price a GTPP Premium in the $40k range too, but I don't think it's competing against the GT350 base for sales either.

Actually since there is no "direct" competitor, guess what magazines will test against the GT350? Oh right, a 2SS.

And no frills? Depends on ones definition of frills. I think I'd take a FPC 5.2 V8 revving to the moon vs. leather and interior lights. It's not like it comes bare bones with auto dimming mirrors, premium interior trim, recaros, 6 speaker audio system, etc.

And it's a logical argument. You don't think someone might want to purchase a base GT350 instead of a well optioned SS? You'd be brand loyal not to at least give it a thought. Especially if I have one car optioned to $46k, and one at $49k.

$11,495 difference with a 1SS
$6,495 different with a 2SS. <--- Start adding options and dealer installed parts and that gap closes quick.

[chain777]

Originally Posted by SuperSound

You wouldn't compare a fully loaded Challenger RT to a 1SS would you? They are close in price. The 1SS is a much better performer is it not? The comparison on price is not valid since the cars are built for very different roles. There is no direct competitor in the Camaro right now for the GT350. Let's not forget you can price a GTPP Premium in the $40k range too, but I don't think it's competing against the GT350 base for sales either.

I agree that they don't directly compete with each other, but when you start approaching 50K, I could see questioning if the trade-off between tech and performance is worth it to some. Like i said, priorities. You've got a 50K budget, what do you want? More performance or more creature comforts? The choice is up to you.

[chain777]

Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

Best performance doing what? You need the track package to get the coolers. Think about that. An optional track package on a track car

Your not doing hot laps on the street. All these extra coolers are for track use or bragging rights. They don't make the car faster on the street unless the car really needs them because of inadequate cooling from the factory. I wonder if the reason they're on all the SS Camaros now is because of the cooling issues they've been having on the C7 Corvettes? Or did they really make all V8 Camaros track ready? That seems a little overboard considering the small percentage that actually do track them. I honestly don't know, but I know if I had a choice, I'd leave all the weight, potential foe leaks and cost behind if I never intended to track it.

That you can configure a GT350 any way you want based on your needs is a plus to me.

[KINGZ28]

I think it funny how people on here are bragging about ford when they can't even build a transmission with 8 speeds and has to ask GM TO HELP THEM WITH THE NEW 9 and 10 SPEED coming out. I work in the natural gas field and all of are ford f series are blown up or broke down. Duramax and cumming still going strong. Just because ford makes a cheap pos and people buy it to save money doesn't make it the best brand. Ford has never help up for me in the real world stop believe the dumb ass ford commercials what a joke!!!! And if you are going to talk shit and you live in a city don't bother sissy boy. Keep turning your flat billed hat backwards and flexing your left arm muscles as you drive your cheap muscle car through town. I fill so bad for people that think the mustang is Gods gift to the car world.

[ChefBorOzzy]

LT1 Vettes do not have cooling issues as far as I've seen.

[ChefBorOzzy]

I don't know how to put it any better, but you people comparing a fully loaded car to a base one are idiots.

If someone doesn't give a shit about the comfort features that the 2SS has, then why even look at it in the first place? They could just stick with 1SS and the 13k difference between that and 350.

People will get what they want. 13k is a lot of money.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

LT1 Vettes do not have cooling issues as far as I've seen.

The A8s seem to have cooling issues.

[chain777]

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

LT1 Vettes do not have cooling issues as far as I've seen.

Not as bad as the Z/06, but even the LT1's oil temps run too high for comfort, and the A8 has had heat issues on the track as well.