[joelster]

550hp? Out of an n/a Coyote? Hrmm........I'll believe it when I see it. You can't get much more displacement out of that engine, the bore centers are too close. If they can get it around 500hp, and 3400lbs with an independent rear and $50k pricetag, I will have to take a serious look!

[joelster]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

I think making the carbon brakes as options is the dmart way to go. It keeps "entry" costs down while still allowing the car to be more in line with sanctioned race classes, none of which allow catbon ceramics (if memory serves correctly). Also having decontenting being an option would also help keeping costs down, as taking things out of a car adds cost due to the complications it adds to production.

Either way, $50k is a nice jumping off point for a car of this nature.

I totally agree on the brake part. Give me stock brakes on a Z/28 and get the price down to $55k, and I would consider it!

[87GNX]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

You can make an LS7 hit high 700s N/A set up right. Doesn't make smog legal.

You can make anything really with any motor if done right, the question is how is ford going to make the gt 350 outrun the z/28 for less $$$. Let's see.

[87GNX]

Originally Posted by joelster

550hp? Out of an n/a Coyote? Hrmm........I'll believe it when I see it. You can't get much more displacement out of that engine, the bore centers are too close. If they can get it around 500hp, and 3400lbs with an independent rear and $50k pricetag, I will have to take a serious look!

It will be either 5.2 or 5.4 with a flat plane crank making power over 7k with an 8k redline. 550 will be the goal they are shooting for. the car itself will be heavily modified for the track..

[Bad@ssCamaro]

The article states "2016" MY, that's at least 14 to 16 months away. Sounds like the Ford propaganda machine hard at work By that time, the Z/28 will have already cemented in it's legacy and Ford is playing catch up like Chevy did with the 1LE to the Boss. By the time this Shelby GT350 comes out, Chevy will more than likely have something in place to edge it out.

[Number 3]

First of all a Coyote or VooDoo is not a more "high tech" engine than an LS7. DOHC does not make it more high tech. Just allows it to rev higher which is how you get HP out of smaller displacements.

Again, read all the other threads. Take a 1LE, add the hand built LS7, add CC brakes, add the tires, add the one off wheels, add all the very low volume special aero bits and pieces, add the very low volume low weight bits and pieces, add those wonderful F1 developed shock absorbers and you get a $75,000 car. It is really that simple. Unless you want GM to lose crap loads of money on each one. In which case start a thread on why GM is charitable enough to sell the Z/28 for less than a Cruze LT.

Ford will run into the same problem. The Boss was a lot more than a GT as I recall. Take the Boss, add IRS, add CC brakes, add a hand built or low volume engine, add some low weight panels parts and bits and you won't get a $50,000 GT350 any more than you can get a $50,000 Z/28....................unless Ford wants to lose money on every one they sell.

Oh and yes, it is a wonderful time to be an enthusiast. But our clock is ticking. IC engines of large displacement will become very expensive and very rare.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by 87GNX

You can make anything really with any motor if done right, the question is how is ford going to make the gt 350 outrun the z/28 for less $$$. Let's see.

Not if you want to meet emissions and mileage regulations.

[2010SLVRBULIT]

Originally Posted by Visago

Not really....the supercharged Shelby GT500 is the ZL1 competitor....the GT350 is being built for track and naturally aspirated.

..IF it is going to be naturally aspirated, at the price they are asking for, it might as well be content to beat up on the 1LE. Throw another $25K in performance parts, then ya..
..besides what's it going to be, a highly modified Leguna Seca?

[72MachOne99GT]

A lot is going to boil down to production numbers if they do indeed go with anything close to what the article is guessing.

The Z28 is a limited production car, research and development costs of x divided by a smaller number is a higher unit cost. While Ford likes to claim the GT500 is limited, it is 7 years into a production cycle, thusly keeping costs relatively in check.

If Ford makes the GT350 a 5+ year run, that will substantially help. Hell, it's possible a couple tweaks to the current 5.0 + Direct Injection could have it touching 500ish hp numbers, tat would certainly eliminate hidden costs.

And don't be too quick to toss out the idea of a z28 competitor for a few thousand underneath its base...(edit: it being the z/28). It was just two short years ago when there was absolutely no way on Gods green Earth the 13 GT500 was upgrading its suspension, acquiring a CF driveshaft, running upwards of 200mph, getting a new blower, increasing displacement to 355 cubes/5.8L, and making 662/631 for ANYWHERE below 65k....quoting many many voices internet wide...

[LOWDOWN]

Remember Ford's BOSS program? A Base BOSS, and the hotter-handling LS? They'll likely do something similar, this time...just about the time the lighter Gen-6 Camaro appears with the possibilities of LT1 AND LT4 power.

GT350 for $50-55K, without the C-C brakes and best-handling suspension/rolling stock. The "traditional" Mustang fan will grab it...because it'll be the straight line hero and "who cares about 'Ring times?"

GT350-R, with ALL the goodies and some weight-savings...at a price that'll rival the Z/28...

Spread the cost of the engine over a "volume" model (350) and the hot tamale (350-R). Keeps the base model "a-ford-able", keeps the -R within market competition.

Take a look at other manufacturers and their DOHC V8 engines. 500+ is easily doable...for a price, initially as well as warranty. Ferrari doesn't offer 5-year warranties...

As Number 3 sez, "great times"...but that window will change...

[madmax13]

Originally Posted by 72MachOne99GT

A lot is going to boil down to production numbers if they do indeed go with anything close to what the article is guessing.

The Z28 is a limited production car, research and development costs of x divided by a smaller number is a higher unit cost. While Ford likes to claim the GT500 is limited, it is 7 years into a production cycle, thusly keeping costs relatively in check.

If Ford makes the GT350 a 5+ year run, that will substantially help. Hell, it's possible a couple tweaks to the current 5.0 + Direct Injection could have it touching 500ish hp numbers, tat would certainly eliminate hidden costs.

And don't be too quick to toss out the idea of a z28 competitor for a few thousand underneath its base...(edit: it being the z/28). It was just two short years ago when there was absolutely no way on Gods green Earth the 13 GT500 was upgrading its suspension, acquiring a CF driveshaft, running upwards of 200mph, getting a new blower, increasing displacement to 355 cubes/5.8L, and making 662/631 for ANYWHERE below 65k....quoting many many voices internet wide...

From what I have seen, DI is not coming to the new power plant. I would expect to see it for the mid-cycle refresh. So, ~450hp, plus a few poines when DI rolls around?

[LOWDOWN]

Originally Posted by madmax13

From what I have seen, DI is not coming to the new power plant. I would expect to see it for the mid-cycle refresh. So, ~450hp, plus a few poines when DI rolls around?

Expect that from the GT. BOSS engine, essentially, with a few tweaks. Now that the LT1 rating has been finalized with the Vette, I'd expect Ford to close in on those numbers. They've been a lil evasive, since December, on both hp and weight...

[72MachOne99GT]

I said DI on the current 5.0, not on a future flat plane voodoo motor.

If ford made 444 with the boss, im sure 500 is doable with a DI "R" version as it was mentioned above.

Though, I dont see an engine option being on the gt350 check list...just a standard version and an optioned out z28 equivilant model

[crysalis_01]

Originally Posted by joelster

550hp? Out of an n/a Coyote? Hrmm........I'll believe it when I see it. You can't get much more displacement out of that engine, the bore centers are too close. If they can get it around 500hp, and 3400lbs with an independent rear and $50k pricetag, I will have to take a serious look!

Actually, simply switching from standard cylinder liners to PTWA can net a change of just over 0.1L, as the liners used are about 1/8"or 3175 µm, while the PTWA lining once honed is about 150 µm thick.