[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by Zaqwert6

For me, for Pure Performance it's an auto. Heck, my drag cars have essentially been Autos or clutchless since the 80s. And pretty much been the standard in Drag Racing ever since.:-) It's easy to understand the resistance though. Manuals are easy and don't require much thought. Modern cars and electronic controls require old dogs to learn new tricks. Simply put it's a performance advancement like any other. I don't see too many people crying to go back to double clutching, Carburetors and manual timing, fixed-function rear ends. In my opinion, Modern Autos allow you to be more engaged in the Driving Experience. You have more control over the car if you understand it and choose to take full advantage of it. People don't like change, and people don't like to have to work and learn new things. That's understandable.

I have the A8 in my Camaro and you are putting forward a very good argument, yet there is something to be said about the appeal of a direct mechanical connection that requires deliberate interaction rather than conditionally allowing it (and only indirectly even then). For what it's worth, I learned on and only drove manual transmission cars for a while, wouldn't want to go back to the stick, but I do understand those that love it.

Maybe an auto with a direct (not just linear) gear selection method off of a stick, plus some force feedback could elicit the same feel, but there's probably no viable business model around such a contraption.

[Devstrike]

Due to medical reasons I can no longer drive a manual so I went with the 10 speed and it is indeed the best trans I have had in a vehicle knows what I want every time. That being said if I was still able to drive a manual I am not sure I live in a very urban area with rush hour traffic and I hated driving a manual in the past in rush hour traffic that being said manuals are super fun outside of the traffic I would get one if you really enjoy it but the ten speed is awesome too.

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by Idaho2018GTPremium

Sure M6s are fun, I guess, but a lot of people act like shifting gears is the only thing they are doing that is fun in a car.

It's not the only thing that is fun about driving . . . but is one more thing that adds to the enjoyment. Something that even paddles or a +/- gate at the shifter can't fully duplicate on a subjective fun level.

Fun and engaging to drive has always been more important to me than acceleration performance. My wife drove me to an outpatient services appointment this morning, and I have to admit that it actually was fun for me to watch her rowing the gears in our WRX.


Norm

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by Zaqwert6

For me, for Pure Performance it's an auto. Heck, my drag cars have essentially been Autos or clutchless since the 80s. And pretty much been the standard in Drag Racing ever since.:-) It's easy to understand the resistance though. Manuals are easy and don't require much thought. Modern cars and electronic controls require old dogs to learn new tricks. Simply put it's a performance advancement like any other. I don't see too many people crying to go back to double clutching, Carburetors and manual timing, fixed-function rear ends. In my opinion, Modern Autos allow you to be more engaged in the Driving Experience. You have more control over the car if you understand it and choose to take full advantage of it. People don't like change, and people don't like to have to work and learn new things. That's understandable.

Some people simply don't like having things done for them that they can do all by themselves. Which these days amounts to giving up or at least sharing some of your control over driving rather than enhancing it.

Personally, I want my cars to drive the same way every time I go to drive them, not be something that could have me constantly fiddling with to "re-configure".


I fully realize that my opinion is out of step with today's fascination about getting computers involved at such a detail level in what we do, and having them give us more options than anybody really needs. It just is what it is.


Norm

[clg82]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

Some people simply don't like having things done for them that they can do all by themselves. Which these days amounts to giving up or at least sharing some of your control over driving rather than enhancing it.

Personally, I want my cars to drive the same way every time I go to drive them, not be something that could have me constantly fiddling with to "re-configure".


I fully realize that my opinion is out of step with today's fascination about getting computers involved at such a detail level in what we do, and having them give us more options than anybody really needs. It just is what it is.


Norm

^^Umm not sure what A10 you've driven but mine is flawless every time. No need to reconfigure anything ever....

[KingLT1]

Let's not forget that newer cars with manuals are torque managed by the ECU. Yes your beloved TR6060 and 6070 have computer intervention. They are nothing like driving a T56 car from the past. Yes you still have to put in more effort to drive a newer manual compared to a Auto but it's like a Manual with training wheels compared to the older stuff.

[s346k]

street car - manual
race car - auto

the good thing about having an auto in your street cars is that it frees up a hand for you guys, so you can now save time and put on your make up/lipstick/mascara on your way to work.

[JSH]

I learned to drive in the mid to late 60s, when I don't believe Chevy made an auto Z28 Camaro. All I ever saw or drove were sticks.

[CamaroSSStlfan]

Originally Posted by avalonandl

I went the opposite way. Had a 17' M6 2SS loved it but the shifting in traffic the last 2 years in town got to me. The A10 is sooooo nice.....and shifts so fast.

After 4 years making the change was easy.

See what you mean. Traffic on 41 and all the stop and go I would NOT want a manual here in FL.

[Aragorn]

Originally Posted by kurmaro

I'll just make this short & simple.

What do you people prefer? I'd like to hear pros and cons, and maybe some debates.

M6 for engagement.

[FarmerFran]

None - no transmission for me... Electric is the future!

[90503]

6 speed auto, 8 speed auto, 10 speed auto....Keyword: auto, as in automatic. No doubt an advantage in the quarter mile over a manual these days, (unless you are Ronnie Sox).

I don't see what there is to be all excited about with an automatic. They work fine and do what they are supposed to, but the reason you have one is so it automatically shifts for you. Manually shifting an automatic? Pretty much a way to play with it and pretend its a manual, but it still is no manual.

Don't get me wrong, I drive and own plenty of cars that are automatics. Do I really care what gear it's in? Why should I? It's automatic!!....

[arpad_m]

Originally Posted by 90503

6 speed auto, 8 speed auto, 10 speed auto....Keyword: auto, as in automatic. No doubt an advantage in the quarter mile over a manual these days, (unless you are Ronnie Sox).

I don't see what there is to be all excited about with an automatic. They work fine and do what they are supposed to, but the reason you have one is so it automatically shifts for you. Manually shifting an automatic? Pretty much a way to play with it and pretend its a manual, but it still is no manual.

Don't get me wrong, I drive and own plenty of cars that are automatics. Do I really care what gear it's in? Why should I? It's automatic!!....

I'm a "best of both worlds" kind of guy: while our tools necessarily evolve, there is no good reason not to preserve what's best about the past, hence my ideas around manual shifting an automatic.

Everyone wants a manual gearbox part of the time and an auto transmission part of the time, the only difference is in individual percentages—it's unlikely someone really wants the stick 100% of the time no matter the circumstance, and of course most of us with the A8/A10 would love to power through a nice 1-2-3-4 sequence or blip a downshift sometimes.

Thus, having a manually shiftable auto sounds like a good idea to me, but with that said, I'm not a purist, hopefully that doesn't mean I'm expected to hand over my man card just because A8

[zeroed]

I got both