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Garbage driver in the ZL1 1LE for sure! Anyone else notice he just chucked it in 3rd and let the rev match peg off the limiter going into the very first turn. Definitely sloppy driving!
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I think it's a good comparison test for the average driver of these cars. It's nice to fantasize about the ultimate times these cars are capable of in the hands of a pro, but these comparisons are more inline with what the reality is for most of us. How easy a car can be driven to it's limits in the real world with an average driver is more important to most people buying these cars. Unless you're just looking for numbers for bragging rights.
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Different tracks are different as well. The way they do Lightning lap is they try to get as many cars on the track on the same day as possible and that requires them to use a bunch of drivers. Not ideal, but it is what it is. I would love to see someone track them at VIR on the same day and see what happens. Then we would know if the track favors the Z/28 or if the conditions/ drivers were just that different to give the Z/28 the advantage.
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from a data analysis standpoint, having different and/or amateur drivers for conducting this sort of tests is useless for having an idea of the car's actual performance.
Although it may look like it would give good idea for "real world example" the problem is average drivers are inconsistent so the data based on their inconsistency. And I bet many people are more concerned about the car's limit vs some average guy's meaningless lap time. Also, average driver and ultra performance cars in a high speed track doesn't sound fit in the same sentence, for many reasons. I personally couldn't care less about some X editor's inconsistent lap time with A car when compared to Y editor's on B car, that wouldn't give me anything about the comparison.
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Some cars are set up so only a professional driver can get anything close to the best out of them, and an average driver is just going to find it frustrating and difficult to achieve consistent, fast lap times. So how does that help to only provide data from professional drivers? Both are valuable.
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Stevenson Motorsports Z28s beat them in the CTSCC on a regular basis, with 500 lbs and a 1/2 inch ride height added
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