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GM already said the decision had nothing to do with the Tarrifs, they had been planning this for some time. |
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11-27-2018, 11:14 AM | #44 |
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The next refresh for Camaro has been placed on indefinite hold, all focus has been placed on driverless/EV. Barra has stated if sales don't improve, it's axed.
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11-27-2018, 11:17 AM | #45 | |
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It's like the 3 stooges bit where one of them tries to punch another and ends up punching himself in the face. Would be great comedy if we weren't seeing the consequences daily... |
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11-27-2018, 11:19 AM | #46 |
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11-27-2018, 11:21 AM | #47 |
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11-27-2018, 11:21 AM | #48 | |
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Cadillac is a different story. I think GM would have kept the CT6 if they could, but since it is built at the Impala plant and that car platform is dying they had to let it go. Prob wasn't enough sales to support CT6 only at that plant. XT5 is nice, my wife drives one and likes it better than her previous Yukon Denali. It is a FWD crossover, not a truck. The XT4 also looks good but I have not seen one up close yet. XT5 is getting a refresh for 2020 and then with the rumored XT6 the Cadillac SUV/CUV range doesn't look too bad. Their cars though - I don't know what they are doing - CTS/ATS/XTS is dead or dying. CT6 is dead. Are they banking on CT8/Escala? Are they giving up on Cadillac cars altogether? |
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11-27-2018, 11:26 AM | #49 | |
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So you can hope for boosting china's economy so that they're just as expensive with their quality of life as we are or, if we are just too relatively high in our quality of life compared to the rest of the world, we'll be reduced until an equilibrium is reached. everything else is synthetic and will fail. If you want to think of how things could get better, you have to look for things that make poor economies rich. I doubt you'd prefer the alternative, where our rich economy is normalized to the poorer ones. That's usually a recipe for authoritarianism and means we didn't learn anything from what started WW2. |
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11-27-2018, 11:26 AM | #50 |
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As a ex-GM employee who's father retired after 30 years with GM I have seen my fair share of the issues with GM. Quality control is out the window, GM really should slow down the assembly line speed and instead of worrying about getting a unit off of the line ever 60-75 seconds. Spend more time on quality control would go worlds ahead to help consumers feel confidant in their purchase.
Spend some advertising money on some other vehicles than the trucks and SUV market. Sure, we know those are the bread and butter vehicles, but they shouldnt forget the Corvette nor Camaro. Want people to get excited about a vehicle, show them the vehicles exist. Do more consumer focus groups on refresh and redesign, this would help them avoid the issue they are having with the new 2019 SS front end and keep them from having to redesign the front end again in order to not kill the sales of the car again. I dont see GM dropping the Camaro, they already know that was one of the worst mistakes they made back in 2002. Sadly there was no way around it due to the way the contract was written with the Canadian St Therese plant, the Canadian UAW had worded their contract that when the 4th gen production was done that no other F-body could be made anywhere else and it had to be built there. That is a huge reason why GM killed the F-body platform, to get out from under that UAW contract and plant. If you want to see the Domestic automakers and GM get stronger, sadly they need to kill the UAW off and get out from under those UAW contracts. It wont happen as it will require them Big 3 to step up against the UAW and do nothing while walk-outs and strikes happen, no way the Big 3 or even GM can handle that kind of lost revenue.
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11-27-2018, 11:33 AM | #52 |
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Last time I checked things were going pretty darn good overall “before” the corporate tax cuts and trade tariffs.... If it ain’t broke don’t fix it, why mess with a booming economy....Just Sayin
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11-27-2018, 11:38 AM | #54 |
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The idea that there isn't a market for these cars is absurd. I think the problem is that the price for these cars is what is driving them out of the market. I love my car but I feel dumb for paying almost 50gs for it. I considered buying a Yukon until I saw the price tag. Ten years ago, I could have bought the Denali AWD for the same price as the base model SLE 2WD. In time they will struggle competing with the trucks and SUV's as well.
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