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You're embarrassing yourself now. I tried to help you and show you where to find legitimate info. Good luck.
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05-31-2019, 10:12 AM | #48 | |
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I wonder if people think that these cars will be collectable like the muscle cars of the 60s? Remember that was the end of an era, and the public couldn't obtain muscle cars like those anymore. This is what contributed to their exclusivity and collectability. However, for the last 20 - 30 years these pony cars have been getting better with each new generation and model. Collectability is based on demand. Who wants an old car that can't keep up with a new one? Think about it. The Muscle car era ended at around 1973. Modern cars didn't see equal performance until around 1997 (give or take a few). Ask yourself who is collecting Camaros or Corvettes built between 1973 and 1997? While there are exceptions, I hope you see my point. |
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05-31-2019, 04:11 PM | #49 | |
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The guys cornering the market thing is a historical footnote and non issue. It's a funny story that inflates their own importance. You are correct that the G92 got almost all of the same equipment as a 1LE in the last few years particularly. Acceleration was identical as there were no engine differences (G92 cars already had the better exhaust and rear end gears). Handling and braking was not noticeably different in magazine testing and I don't think anyone did any track testing to speak of to compare the two. All that being said, the 1LE commands a premium even among people who know all of that much to the chagrin of the 1LE haters out there. The third gen site has a hundred thread topics where this gets hashed out every few weeks. It's a constant source of bickering. The 1LE is truly not as special as most people think it is, and yet I still believe it is the 3rd gen (Camaro) to have. That's why I own two. The 5th gen Z/28 was and is a special car. The 5th gen SS 1LE was and is a special car. The 5th gen SS 1LE is not nearly the car the 5th gen Z/28 is and I think eventually the market value will show that. I think the real problem with the 5th gens in general is how much better the 6th gen is. The 6th gen SS 1LE is far better than the 5th gen SS 1LE and the 6th gen ZL1 1LE is far better than the 5th gen Z/28. Besides a personal preference for the 5th gen there is little reason to prefer the 5th gen to it's 6th gen counterpart at the same price point so the 5th gen will be limited by 6th gen values. The Z/28 gets a bonus for rarity, but I don't think that can overcome the performance of the ZL1 1LE.
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Gen 5 Z is already collectable, just remains to be seen if valuations will rise. Think too much emphasis is being placed on out right performance. Plenty of faster cars out there now and were when it came out. It's a unicorn for several reason's. If there's no gen 7 Z, let alone a Camaro, there will never be another NA 427.
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06-03-2019, 10:49 AM | #51 | |
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The recent boom in collectible cars was really due to barret jackson and the baby boomers throwing money at the classic cars. I don't know if people in their 30s now will have that same desire in 20-30 years like the baby boomers did. Like you said it was the end of an era but it was more than just the performance. Cars were literally part of the baby boomer youth and culture. Going to the drive in, car hops, packing people in just cruising around. There was songs about cars, songs about racing songs, about just cruising movies about cars where people literally did all of those things, it was literally a huge part of their lives. Unfortunately I don't see people near my age having that same connection to cars like people my old mans age. That is one of the main reasons I don't see modern cars going to be collectible. |
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02-07-2021, 11:40 AM | #53 |
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I luv the car, looked at them before I bought my ZL1. I actually rack up miles on a car so the base ZL1 even at the higher cost was worth it to me. That said I find myself still checking out the prices and have seen the price increase. May have one in the garage someday, problem is the low mileage ones will generate the $’s and I gotta drive em.
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03-09-2021, 03:05 PM | #55 |
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I think anything thats special now will be cool in the future. a 427 always was and always will be special.
Yea. Interesting the sticks are bringing more... Because they have been nearly replaced. Exclusivity. Often whats least popular in the near term is most sought after in the future because few were built. Short bed single cab pick up trucks from the 50's through mid 70's always draw. Most trucks were single cabs with 8 foot beds. Or the crew cabs from the 60's and 70's.. they were military or heavy work trucks. Rare and ugly ducklings when new. Used no one wanted them. Now a nice crew cab 4x4 1 ton from the early 70's is a prize. Whatever everyone wants now... A-10s or anything commonly desired today will have less value as a collectible. Doesnt mean they wont still be fun. As long as we can get gas. Nobodys going to be interested in 3600 lb art or powerful paperweights.
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I'd love to have a gen 5 Z28, but the trouble from am investment standpoint is I like to drive my cars, which over the course of a decade or more adds up to a lot of miles, which really impacts the value. Invest your money, drive your cars! Invested properly, your returns will likely beat the appreciation on all but the rare few autos. Case in point, I bought a '69 Boss 429 in '79, obviously a high dollar car. I sold in 2005. Doing the math indicates that I made around 9% annually not accounting for maintenance, insurance, etc.
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