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Never say Never ... GM also said they would Never use the Camaro in NASCAR, look how that turned out. I think it could be used in the future, based on a gas guzzler tax. If the power of the TTV6 were close to the V8, with better fuel economy it could be a big seller. But then again, we really don't know where the tax situation will be at that point.
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It may not be a regular production option...I'm thinking more along the lines of a special edition. Think about it. Every year the Camaro gets numerous "Special Editions" that run for a limited time.
2010 had the Synergy Green, Indy Pace Car, and Transformers 2011 had the XM, Synergy Series, Neiman Marcus, and another Indy Pace Car 2012 had the Honor and Valor, 45th Anniversay, Transformers, and Synergy Sries 2013 has the Dusk and Hot Wheels Don't you think it is conceivable to have a special edition with the TTV6?
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Sell the TTV6 in europe for 2 years then sell a v8 option for a year with a little more hp. It would work both ways, Some want power with out caring about mpg and some can get power while still having mpg. Look at all the TT hondas out there that can get 400+ hp and still can manage 30+ mpg
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Except the TTV6 offers no efficiency advantage over the LT1 (If anything, the LT1 is marginally more efficient). GM's own engineers have said that publicly.
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Maybe I'm the only one who feels this way, but who actually gives a damn about the tree hugging Europeans?! GM and Ford should be focused on America for their pony/muscle cars, not Europe. I can understand if they care about the Spark or Sonic in relation to the global economy, because those cars matter overseas. A Camaro is a rare car overseas, and they shouldn't ruin an American enthusiast's fun because Europe is worried about co2 and engine displacement
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If they didn't have to dance around all the regs and bs, the V-8 would live forever and never be out of style....but it's still not getting promoted as being "efficient" or desirable for better mpg.... The trucks may get a pass for the needed power with a V-8, as the profit margin for light trucks I believe is significantly higher than passenger cars...Other than the Vette, isn't the Camaro the only GM passenger car that comes with a V-8?...and even so, over half Camaro sales are V-6... Sure they will always have a niche, and will be built for that...crate motors, warranty replacements, maintenance replacements, etc...but demand won't have V-8s showing up in Cruzes,Malibus or Impalas..... All the pressures...CAFE, weight, even "perception" as a guzzler, will eventually be the demise of passenger car V-8s... As I believe what you say, that V-6 turbos may not be as efficient in the real world of driving, but if it gets a higher number for mpg ratings on the rollers for the window sticker, they will get the nod for production... ...Not a perfect world, and not how I'd like to see things go, but I think the writing is on the wall....I always suggest to everyone, enjoy these V-8s for as long as you can while they are plentiful and relatively affordable. I recall the GM engineers stating they would prefer to put a TTV6 into the Vettes....but it won't fly with the Vette buyers as long as a V-8 is available...How much longer that will be the case, is anybody's guess, especially given they would even consider doing it..... Last edited by 90503; 05-07-2013 at 03:10 PM. |
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Well I'd like a V6 TT option.....
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I don't see why they would prefer a TTV6. As seen with the LF3, it duplicates the LS3 with the added issues of heat soak and the complexity of a TT set up. This may be the last stand of the V8 engine as a common power plant but that is entirely due to government busy bodies forcing THEIR desires on the rest of us. Sure, some emissions regulations are good for us but making the regulations so stringent that companies have to invest huge amounts of money to meet them is entirely outside the bounds of what the government should be doing. I prefer the V8 engine. I like the sound, the feel and the relative simplicity of it. It's nostalgic and iconic to American cars. If the government didn't force everyone to adopt outrageous mileage standards and let the companies develop the engines they wanted, I bet we would see some amazing V8s and other types coming out. |
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Never said factory. If it can be done aftermarket eventually it will be possible with manufacturing.
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I think you are reading a lot into the statement made by one guy about one car (the Stingray) to come up with this broad generalization. If not, can you provide the quote in full so we can all see?
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He's right though, look at the mileage numbers in the CTS vsport. It has very similar projected mileage to to the LT1. Therefore, the Vette engineers are correct, it wouldn't have any mileage advantages.
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