[Camaro1LTBA]

Thanks for the clarification SUMMIT WHITE SS. As of now we have MRC as a handling option, brake upgrade for a few grand... I guess people are looking for the gearing and *better* tires.

For me, the SS is a daily driver with MRC so it's plenty. Just think GM would make more of a splash with a new model. They could just add a tire package to the current SS. Just thinking out loud.

If it's more suited for the track then you may be right with pricing if added to a 1SS. Just figured those asking for the 1LE want everything else as well since many differentiate the 1LE option as a separate model. "Drives a 2015 1LE"... think you get the point.

Looking at it from this perspective, I can see a benefit for some to be able to get different tires and gearing. The brake upgrade should be plenty and wouldn't MRC take care of the handling?

I definitely wouldn't wait for it or purchase the option, but my car will never see a track so why would I. For those that are waiting, hopefully you'll get some more options that would make the car more suitable for your needs.

I'm sure there will be something special for the 50th, but might just be an appearance package. In the end, the more options the better. Maybe GM will add a tire option and/or package some things together and call it a 1LE option package.

[Camaro1LTBA]

Originally Posted by triggerjerk

There will no 1LE. Just a ZL1 and Z28. "These are the brands GM
is concerned about".
Source: Tight lipped Camaro team engineer to remain unnamed.
Don't shoot the messenger.

It makes sense. The 6th gen already has available mrc and 6 piston
brembos. I could see maybe a square tire set up option in the future.

Pretty much exactly what I was thinking. Just add a tire option for those looking for the 1LE and you now have upgraded brakes as an option, upgraded suspension as an option, and the grippier non run flats as an option. Could be packaged into one I guess.

[mjk3888]

Originally Posted by triggerjerk

There will no 1LE. Just a ZL1 and Z28. "These are the brands GM
is concerned about".
Source: Tight lipped Camaro team engineer to remain unnamed.
Don't shoot the messenger.

It makes sense. The 6th gen already has available mrc and 6 piston
brembos. I could see maybe a square tire set up option in the future.

If this is true then the Z/28 better be the NA car that we have seen testing along side of the ZL1. I don't care if its called a Z/28 or 1LE but they better have a car that is along the lines of what the 5th gen 1LE was. If not they are going to lose a lot of sales.

[Bhobbs]

Dropping the 1LE makes no sense. GM doesn't have the engines to produce a Z/28 and ZL1. To make the Z/28 a package on the SS would be a dumb move.

[mjk3888]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

Dropping the 1LE makes no sense. GM doesn't have the engines to produce a Z/28 and ZL1. To make the Z/28 a package on the SS would be a dumb move.

I agree. Unless they pull another complete identity change of the Z/28 and essentially badge the 1LE as a Z28.

GM seems to flip flop these all the time. 4th Gen Z28 was a trim level below the SS. 5th Gen it was the Ultimate Track Monster. Who knows maybe they make it the level between the SS and the ZL1. I could see it making sense to not build a 5th Gen Z/28 in 6th Gen form, but why re purpose the name and change its identity again?

GM Always seems to have an identity crisis with deciding trim levels and performance packages.

[pkincy]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

If GM was disappointed in the volume of the 1LE, then we can talk, but I haven't seen anything to suggest they were.

It is a history thing. Late 3rd gen 1LEs sold in the 100/year or less range. Same for the 4th gen. Pre 07 due to no availability of AC and post 07 no power anything but did have AC. 93 had 19, 94-96 about a hundred and 97-99 about a 100. I think a few more were sold in 00-02 as it was more of an available option with other equipment.

Don't know a thing about 5th gens because I don't ever think about cars weighing the same as my full size pickup does.

[Waiting46]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

The whole point of the 1LE, since it was first offered, was to increase the track capability of the base V8. To make the car less focused would be to soften it. I don't see why every model has to appeal to everyone. All the other models built are for the masses.

No one has ever said the Z06 is for 0.5%. The Z06 is a stand alone model that needs to support itself. The 1LE is just a package, and if it isn't what you want, don't get it.

I guess what Im trying to say, is if chevy built 1LE that was every inch of what you would expect it to be without MRC and an auto option, and then added MRC and auto as an option, I cant see the issue with it except an exclusivity issue.

There isn't much of a weight penalty on either the 8L90, or MRC, theres no additional strengthening that needs to go in for either of those components, adding more compatible options take nothing away from the original option. (did I say 'option' enough?)

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Waiting46

I guess what Im trying to say, is if chevy built 1LE that was every inch of what you would expect it to be without MRC and an auto option, and then added MRC and auto as an option, I cant see the issue with it except an exclusivity issue.

There isn't much of a weight penalty on either the 8L90, or MRC, theres no additional strengthening that needs to go in for either of those components, adding more compatible options take nothing away from the original option. (did I say 'option' enough?)

What reason is there to change the car? It's not supposed to be a volume option.

[Waiting46]

Originally Posted by Bhobbs

What reason is there to change the car? It's not supposed to be a volume option.

That is not an argument, I could ask what is the point of a 1LE?

I am asking, if there is compromise of the "base" 1LE, what is the concern with making more options compatible?

From a marketing standpoint, it makes sense (they likely wont be losing money on the 1LE, so why not sell more?)

[Eric SS]

If there is no 1LE it's possible (probable) that they couldn't make a business case for one based on money alone. It was a great option for a great price for the Gen 5 but it's possible that to get that kind of performance increase from a base SS on the 6th gen platform would just be too costly for them to sell enough (in the bean counters eyes) to turn a profit. I don't see how you could offer a $3,500 1LE package on this platform to make it a road course monster. It would have to be probaby $7k or more when you include the 6 pot brakes, extra cooling above what's already there that already works well, wider wheels, upgrades suspension above what's already offered as an option, Recaro seats, PDR, and countless other bits to make it really go above and beyond the base SS around a road course.

[Waiting46]

Originally Posted by Eric SS

If there is no 1LE it's possible (probable) that they couldn't make a business case for one based on money alone. It was a great option for a great price for the Gen 5 but it's possible that to get that kind of performance increase from a base SS on the 6th gen platform would just be too costly for them to sell enough (in the bean counters eyes) to turn a profit. I don't see how you could offer a $3,500 1LE package on this platform. It would have to be probaby $7k or more when you include the 6 pot brakes, extra cooling above what's already there that already works well, wider wheels, upgrades suspension above what's already offered as an option, Recaro seats, PDR, and countless other bits to make it really go above and beyond the base SS around a road course.

Precisely why I was ballparking in the 5k range, brakes, chassis stiffening, factory CAI, a dash of aero, and square (unique) wheels would be enough to help out on the track, maybe not as hardcore as some would want, but would certainly help.

[Bhobbs]

Originally Posted by Waiting46

That is not an argument, I could ask what is the point of a 1LE?

I am asking, if there is compromise of the "base" 1LE, what is the concern with making more options compatible?

From a marketing standpoint, it makes sense (they likely wont be losing money on the 1LE, so why not sell more?)

The point of the 1LE is to improve the track capability of the V8 Camaro.

The concern would be increasing the price. They would have to validate and certify all the possible combinations for the options on the 1LE option.

I would rather a price increase go to brakes or more aero than paying to validate an auto trans I would never buy.

[SS 1LE]

Originally Posted by pkincy

It is a history thing. Late 3rd gen 1LEs sold in the 100/year or less range. Same for the 4th gen. Pre 07 due to no availability of AC and post 07 no power anything but did have AC. 93 had 19, 94-96 about a hundred and 97-99 about a 100. I think a few more were sold in 00-02 as it was more of an available option with other equipment.

Don't know a thing about 5th gens because I don't ever think about cars weighing the same as my full size pickup does.

Difference between the the gen 3/4 1LE and the gen 5 1LE was marketing. That is the only real reason the sales were so much higher on the 5th gen ones. The 3rd gen 1LE's were basically just made for the Players Challenge and such. They weren't really made for the general public. The 4th gen was pretty similar, and shared many parts with the B4C police package cars. If I recall, there was never even a mention of the 1LE in any 3rd or 4th gen brochure. You had to know you wanted it, and order it. GM made it much more mainstream for the 5th gen as we all know...

[SS 1LE]

All I can say is if GM is not going to give us a 1LE, then please at least give us a good wheel/tire tire option like this:

http://www.camaro6.com/forums/showthread.php?t=435735