[396ssrat]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

Driver Safety...Because the masses can not handle the power. 650hp on street tires with no traction control or stabilitrack is not something the average enthusiast can handle. It has nothing to do with stress on the drive line.

I run my Whipple A8 car with no torque management and full torque shifts no problem with a 305/35/20 555r. On a street tire it would be borderline dangerous being it would break the tires loose on the 3-4 shift at 90mph.

More like warranty claims.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

The top model will always be the most desirable. Sometimes tho people might want a lower model for nostalgic reasons. If I happen to ever get another 3rd Gen Camaro I'd probably look for an 87 Z28 instead of the IROC because that was my first Camaro. And I'd want it in the color of the one I had. But if I were to get, let's say, a 98 Camaro or an 02, then I'd be looking for the Z28 SS. If I wanted a 5th Gen Camaro with the intentions to build a race car or one that would see heavy race use or one that I planned to mod to 1000 HP then I'd get the SS. If I wanted one and just planned to do LTs and a tune and little stuff then I'd get a ZL1. For others tho, if they didn't want to spend ZL1 money then they'd get the SS and do light mods. So in a way it depends on the person. But the top trims are typically the most desired and sought after.

I see what you are saying. If I had the extra cash around right now to just buy a used mustang not going to lie, I would try and find something as close to my 04 GT I had. Purely for nostalgic reasons. Even if I could afford a Cobra or Mach-1 I would probably look for something like my old GT. Nostalgia!

Originally Posted by Gen6_1Le

Collectors go after rarity , how many produced is more important then if its a top of the line . Sometimes they do go hand and hand but not always . 1967 Z28 was not the most powerful or top of the line but the low numbers produced makes it a very expensive car but not even close to what the 6 cylinder 3 speed vin number 1 car is worth.Just look at the most expensive Camaro ever made the 5th gen Z28 and where it is now . I get what you are saying that people may look for in the future as far as wanting to race a car but that is the used car market more than the collectors market. The price in the used car market of a SS 1Le vs Zl1 is closer then if buy new so that gap may shrink even more over 30 years , some reason there is no shortage of used Zl1s that's for sure and i doubt that will change over the years.

This ^ Collectors love rare stuff. That is why IMO none of the modern cars will go up in value like the classics. Back then you could order stuff ala carte and get something really rare. Example, my old man ordered a 69 442 W-30 in a color that wasn't even offered on the 442. Or you could have had like 1 of 10 cars ordered with A/C and XYZ engine in this color with the automatic. Stuff like that doesn't happen anymore.

I think the only ones that have a chance to be high dollar collectibles would be the Z/28 because there was only 1500ish built.

[Lafourche1]

Betting on what cars will be collectable is worse than going to the casino. Why are the 911Es now worth ~$175K? Most of these are less than 200HP cars without a whole bunch of comfort. Another thing is that all of our cars (SS, SS 1LE, ZL1, ZL1 1LE) are massed produced cars. We are seeing million dollar muscle cars that were 1 of 5 or so produced with 100 miles on the clock. That is not the case with our cars. All are produced in thousands. Maybe low thousands, but thousands per year.

[Number 3]

Saw a realllly rough black and gold 77 Trans Am at a car show last weekend. Guy was asking $17,000. I’ve seen mint examples go across at Mecum for not much more. Based on the sticker price that is a pretty bad investment over 40 years.

If it’s not ultra rare it’s not an investment. And being 1 of 100 of your color 2018 SS does not make it rare.

I know a guy that bought the 750,000th Corvette. Got Roger Smith’s authorization to get it built with the not yet available manual trans. ordered it white with Peres interior to match the first Corvette ever built. Kept it in a garage with the plastic on the seats and steering wheel. the investment miracle never happened. Did barely ok when he finally sold it. But far from a good investment and never got to enjoy the car,

[oldman]

Originally Posted by Lafourche1

Betting on what cars will be collectable is worse than going to the casino. Why are the 911Es now worth ~$175K? Most of these are less than 200HP cars without a whole bunch of comfort. Another thing is that all of our cars (SS, SS 1LE, ZL1, ZL1 1LE) are massed produced cars. We are seeing million dollar muscle cars that were 1 of 5 or so produced with 100 miles on the clock. That is not the case with our cars. All are produced in thousands. Maybe low thousands, but thousands per year.

Try a 356 quad cam.... as it is both rare and the top performance model. I don't care much for 911E, and if somebody sold it for $175 a fool and his money soon part. In general, the highest performance model will be worth the most money. But as you said it is a crap shoot and you can't even drive-it. I for one think a production 1LE (not zle 1le) with invisible stuff like thicker rear sway bar et all is not even going to be worth the difference in MSRP. Guys that "care" about the vin ain't buying 1995 1LEs... just saying. Well maybe they care for $300 or so of money that actually talks. Integra Type R, rare, most were raced, many were stolen or wrecked, good looking, max performance at that time for what it was built for, good looking, dependable et all. Extreme low miles, mint, absolutely stock $65,000. Good condition 70K miles $12,00 to $20,000 considering they were selling for $20K to $27K brand new, I don't know how much "investment was there?".. Wonder what the Cobra R is selling for now, that was a much hyped future collectible.



To the 1967 Z/28 it was rare, it had the MOST handling performance and the DX 302 with headers was close to the performance of a 396 with headers. Neither car with the single muffler was worth much till you got a decent dual exhaust system. So that fall flat that it did not have the "most performance". The DZ 302 does well enough in the showroom stock shootouts, it was not a drag car, it was all ways a pony car setup for balance.

Rare would be a 6 banger RS 1967... and that ain't close in resale to a Z/28 or the 396 / 375 Hp

[SecondZ28]

Originally Posted by KingLT1

This isn't like the 1980's Turbo cars folks.

Grand Nationals are still going strong.

[SecondZ28]

Originally Posted by oldman

Then we will agree to disagree that a 1le is going to be worth a whole lot more than a non-1le 30 years from now. IMO, you would be lucky just to get the amount the option cost new.

I agree, the 1LE has never been a “must have” sought after package.

[KingLT1]

Originally Posted by SecondZ28

Grand Nationals are still going strong.

Highly sought after, yes.... reliable in stock form, not hardly. Can they be made reliable, more then likely. One of my favorite cars of the 80's along with the Monte Carlo SS.

[Gunkk]

Well now that pricing is out folks may reconsider buying a ZL1 for $10k less than a LT2 with Z51 and FE4 for $74,190. To get the alcantara interior you have to go to LT3 which is another $4,700... $78,890. That's a hefty premium for a ME vette with 155 less horsepower.

Base car: $59,995
LT2: $67,295
LT3: $71,945

Add Z51: $5,000
Add FE4 MRC: $1,895
Add NPP exhaust (inc. w/ Z51): $1,195
Add E60 front end lift system: $1,495

[Norm Peterson]

Originally Posted by Gunkk

Well now that pricing is out folks may reconsider buying a ZL1 for $10k less than a LT2 with Z51 and FE4 for $74,190. To get the alcantara interior you have to go to LT3 which is another $4,700... $78,890. That's a hefty premium for a ME vette with 155 less horsepower.

True.

But if a mid-engine car is what you really want, 155 HP more being available in some other car isn't going to change your mind regardless of pricing.


Norm

[Gen6_1Le]

Originally Posted by SecondZ28

I agree, the 1LE has never been a “must have” sought after package.

Actually it has been you just didn’t know it . The 3rd and 4th gen really don’t have much to offer Collectors outside of the SS from SLP .
I have no doubt that the 5th gen 2013 1Le will catch collectors eyes , especially if the 1Le keeps topping the performance levels of everything it’s on . Do you really think collectors will want a 2SS , only if it’s a 1Le.

[Gen6_1Le]

Originally Posted by Gunkk

Well now that pricing is out folks may reconsider buying a ZL1 for $10k less than a LT2 with Z51 and FE4 for $74,190. To get the alcantara interior you have to go to LT3 which is another $4,700... $78,890. That's a hefty premium for a ME vette with 155 less horsepower.

Base car: $59,995
LT2: $67,295
LT3: $71,945

Add Z51: $5,000
Add FE4 MRC: $1,895
Add NPP exhaust (inc. w/ Z51): $1,195
Add E60 front end lift system: $1,495

So destination charge will put it over $60k ?

[Gen6_1Le]

Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

True.

But if a mid-engine car is what you really want, 155 HP more being available in some other car isn't going to change your mind regardless of pricing.


Norm

I would have to believe there is a lot of sticker shock going on right now , followed by broken hearts and cancellations.

[Dave-ROR]

Originally Posted by Gen6_1Le

So destination charge will put it over $60k ?

No, 59,995 includes destination.