[ZRacerLE]

Originally Posted by Fraxum

So true todays I4 Camaro and Mustangs would rule the street and the track in the heyday of the muscle cars. I remember. The problem now is where do we go from here? 400-500 to the wheels is my sweet spot. To me any more than that is wasted on the street. Fun but wasted. Having said that lots of great posts, analysis, and knowledge on this thread. These hypercars masquerading as pony cars are so cool.

I like that last statement. So true.

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by shaffe

The ZR-1 does put the power down incredibly well, as seen in the 0-60 times. Almost every review says the launch control and traction management works wonders. But lets not forget when we look at the whole picture the ZR-1 is also 600 pounds lighter than the GT500

Now I know this will sound like excuse making, but it looks like C&D tested the ZR1 at the Texas mile - which while not a dragstrip is probably a better surface than the regular unprepped surface used in testing and MT when they tested - the photos in the article show the ZR1 on a drag strip and then the rest of the testing was done at willow springs - So was the ZR1 tested on an "unprepped" surface or at a strip in the MT test

See my post #5203...I mentioned the weight

Originally Posted by Fraxum

So true todays I4 Camaro and Mustangs would rule the street and the track in the heyday of the muscle cars. I remember. The problem now is where do we go from here? 400-500 to the wheels is my sweet spot. To me any more than that is wasted on the street. Fun but wasted. Having said that lots of great posts, analysis, and knowledge on this thread. These hypercars masquerading as pony cars are so cool.

Agreed. Once you get over 500rwhp, street tires just can't hold the power. The cars then only perform fully at track events, essentially becoming track cars which takes away from the fun. I never thought I would say there is too much power on the street, but have to admit, I prefer big power at the track to just spinning tires on the street.

[rocket403]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

See my post #5203...I mentioned the weight



Agreed. Once you get over 500rwhp, street tires just can't hold the power. The cars then only perform fully at track events, essentially becoming track cars which takes away from the fun. I never thought I would say there is too much power on the street, but have to admit, I prefer big power at the track to just spinning tires on the street.

I do agree I will be sticking to N/A cars and 400-500hp is fine for my driving style, I drive my RT hard and with close to 400hp I always know how it will behave and it's road manners are easy to predict.
If I had 400hp more how much more un-planted would it be at WOT and would that make it more suited to Track and not a DD.
If I lived close to a Track and not 2 hours away I would track my cars more and I might want more hp LOL.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by rocket403

I have watched the MT tests and the guy that drives the Hellcat and the Redeye needs a driver mod, 11.9 in the Hellcat and 12.0 in the Redeye. If that's the best the MT can do with these cars then I have not interest in MT at all.

I don't see how high 11s is any different of an extreme or any less probable than high 10s. What MT runs is more in line with how these cars will perform unaltered off the showroom floor. These cars spend the vast majority of their life in this type of condition. A small fraction of them might spend a small fraction at a track where everything possible will be done to run the best time. So what is more practical?

[GossipSquirrelJelena]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

You're not wrong, but the corvette ruining high "magazine" 10s on street tires and an unprepped surface is actuallly kind of impressive for a 755hp 715tq rwd car.

Impressive no doubt. Im just using that car as an example. I could have used a shelby super snake. As another example.

[GossipSquirrelJelena]

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

Unprepped shows how much better the Corvette ZR1 puts power down than the GT500.

Mustang struggles to run low 11's, Corvette runs 10's while putting less HP down on the dyno.

Ya think it has anything to do with a 600 pound weight difference? Or more tire to the pavement?

[joe944]

Originally Posted by rocket403

The advantage of the ME design, but the only numbers that really matter are the drag strip numbers, bench racing is great but what are the 1/4 mile track times.

So the only numbers that matter for a mid engine sports car are the drag strip times?

Get real. Drag strip numbers are great, but the only thing that matters is what the car is going to be doing 99% of the time.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by joe944

So the only numbers that matter for a mid engine sports car are the drag strip times?

Get real. Drag strip numbers are great, but the only thing that matters is what the car is going to be doing 99% of the time.

Even if drag strip numbers were all that mattered, the fact that the ZL1 with 650 engine HP is keeping up with (if not beating) cars that put more than 650 HP to the wheels AND is straight up wrecking them around a track AND costs much less with similar options means that the competition is doing something horribly wrong. Here the ZL1 runs 10.9s in private owner hands. The GT500 ran 3 tenths faster. Yet you have to buy a completely different GT500 and pay an extra $20K on top of the already more expensive Base GT500 to beat the ZL1 around a track. Not to forget to mention, the CF version won't even be as fast as the Base version in the quarter mile. And chances are you won't even get an allocation for the CF version...much less getting the dealership to sell it at MSRP. And you won't get a Base version for much less than the MSRP of the CF version because, well, markups since the car is "worth it". And the Hellcat and Redeye aren't even the handling picture. LOL!!

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by Fraxum

So true todays I4 Camaro and Mustangs would rule the street and the track in the heyday of the muscle cars. I remember. The problem now is where do we go from here? 400-500 to the wheels is my sweet spot. To me any more than that is wasted on the street. Fun but wasted. Having said that lots of great posts, analysis, and knowledge on this thread. These hypercars masquerading as pony cars are so cool.

Unless you plan to drag or track the car there really isn't anyplace you can use the potential of a 450-500 hp car legally, never mind sc versions. Nail one of these high hp SC cars on the highway and your likely doubling the speed limit in seconds with all the risks that come with that. Dont get me wrong I would love to have one but it really would be for bragging rights and an occasional strip/track day.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by newmoon

Unless you plan to drag or track the car there really isn't anyplace you can use the potential of a 450-500 hp car legally, never mind sc versions. Nail one of these high hp SC cars on the highway and your likely doubling the speed limit in seconds with all the risks that come with that. Dont get me wrong I would love to have one but it really would be for bragging rights and an occasional strip/track day.

That + my insurance quote + me being 100% bought in on the H50 50th Anniversary Edition are the reasons I have the car I have vs a ZL1 Vert. If there was a ZL1 Fifty package I might have been tempted.

The extra 200 hp would likely just get me in trouble. And my car is already all I need to have fun at the strip and at the track. Are there faster cars? Yes. And better drivers. Does that bother me? Not in the least. Now having said that, a GT500 base + handling or a C8 Grand Sport / Z06 may be in my future.

[joe944]

It certainly makes you think about quite a few different things before putting that pedal all the way down.

[newmoon]

IMO this is a perfect example of how unusable these high hp cars are on the street. He is way out of the gas more than he is in it.

https://youtu.be/zig2AmiXPY4

[BlaqWhole]

Not for nothin but you'd have to really be screwing around more than you should before these cars lose control. I can drive my car in a very spirited manner and enjoy that 650 HP engine all day safely and easily. And there is nothing wrong with enjoying a car on the daily commute in a spirited manner. Sometimes you gotta use that power to merge or go around someone and it is right there. Plus, at $60K+, I'm gonna enjoy it as much as legally possible. Yea 400-500 HP might be sufficient. But the difference in feel, even part throttle or 3/4s throttle, between a SS and a ZL1 or a SRT8 and a Hellcat is night and day.

[Martinjlm]

Originally Posted by newmoon

IMO this is a perfect example of how unusable these high hp cars are on the street. He is way out of the gas more than he is in it.

https://youtu.be/zig2AmiXPY4

I know a lot of folks on M6G have no use for the kid, but give him credit, he’s making nice videos with his new toy.