[crysalis_01]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

I've sseen 19 gt350's for under msrp near me so people paying adm's on 20s are retarded.

Not everything is about speed, for me that's the one to have. Lighter, better balanced manual fun, on an NA motor that's fast enough for a street car.

Plus the 350 looks better imo. Besides the grill the 500 looks like any mustang, the gt350 has a much more distinct side profile with the vents as well as much better looking wheels than the base 500. The GT pp2's wheels are much better looking imo.

The gt500 is a beast and the car to get for someone who wants the most powerful and fastest and doesn't mind most likely a relatively numb experience for a mustang, but the 350 still has a market even if they're priced similarly on paper. Imo ofcourse.

I'm going to have to agree here. This coming spring I may actually be in the market for a 350. The 500, while cool, doesn't appeal to me near as much as the 350.

[BlaqWhole]

I guess I'll just never understand the mentality of buying something that performs less but costs more. I could see if the R was much cheaper or offered luxury components/options that are not available in the GT500 or was a different model. Like let's say the R was $60K and the GT500 is $74K I could see how someone who can afford both might be attracted to the R. Or in the case of cars like a Vette vs a Camaro I could see someone being attracted to a Vette over a ZL1. But the GT350R and the GT500 are both Mustangs. If the SRT8 was the same price as a Hellcat or the Hellcat was the same price as the Redeye or a Nismo 370Z priced the same as a GTR then why would anyone pick the slower of the two? At the same price, and if both are on the lot at the same time, I don't see how or why anyone would walk past a GT500 and choose the R. Regardless of trans or higher revving engines. The performance difference between those two cars are significant. The gap is too wide.

If someone can honestly say they would walk past the GT500 and buy the more expensive R and truly be happy with that decision, then damned if I know anything. And it baffles me that a company can offer a car that is slower in everything while costing more and people buy it. I have not seen that attitude with any other car. Now what I think is that people just say they prefer the R because deep down inside they know the GT500 is pretty much unattainable. Or they know they won't get it at a decent price. And what I also don't understand is how come out of all the people talking GT500 nobody is actually buying one. LostM claimed he was buying one but I think he was FOS. Even if he was telling the truth that is just one person. So I don't get it and I probably never will.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by SlitherByU

So let me get this straight. The hype meter on the GT500 is in full swing and you're looking for an MSRP deal? You're a smart one... I've said it many times already. Those that HAVE to have it NOW will pay stupid money NOW. Just like the 350R when it came out. But the patient buyers (like me who got the R under MSRP) will get the GT500 at MSRP inside of a year. Some really lucky buyers will find unicorn deals too.

Exactly! Give it 3-5 months when dealers actually have these cars on hand and you will likely find MSRP or very close to for the Base. Right now there are more buyers than available cars due to anticipation.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

The hype meter on the C8 has been in full swing for a while now without fluff stories about kids buying and driving 2000 miles home and stopping at a dragstrip along the way. Yet I can order one (and have one on order) for MSRP. And your story sure does sound nice. But it is BS. First off, I wouldn't buy a GT350R at MSRP, $5K below MSRP, or even at ZL1 MSRP. I wouldn't pay more than $55K for that car because the performance of it is at $55K value. Second, why would I wait and search and shop around just to end up buying one probably at a dealership way out of state at MSRP when there are plenty of competing cars that I can go and buy right now for a hell of a deal? I'd have to be stupid as hell to do that. No car is worth that kind of hassle and for damn sure not a Ford. If some person likes it bad enough that they're willing to search for months and go out of state or pay ADMs now then I feel sorry for them. Me personally, I'll go buy something better.

Right. You just had to wait a very long time to get it. LOL!! What if that dealership didn't think it was time to "move metal"? Look, I'm glad you got your R and for under MSRP. But that car is not worth even what you put yourself thru to get one. Look at it like this, if the GT500 will be selling at MSRP in under a year, then if you had just waited, you could have gotten one which is cheaper than your R MSRP to MSRP. So it makes no sense why you even bought the R when in just a few more months you'll be able to get a GT500.

It's really too bad that virtually EVERY automotive publication GT350 review disagrees with you. But you are smarter than everyone else. They all must be paid off by Ford.

[cowpunk]

Another week, and still no track times.

[ZRacerLE]

Originally Posted by cowpunk

Another week, and still no track times.

Blows my mind. You offer a $20K track package and then you hesitate to show the world what it can do against the competition. I guess it makes sense though. If you already have people paying outrageous ADMs, why waste your time convincing the market to buy? What a weird a cult.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by newmoon

It's really too bad that virtually EVERY automotive publication GT350 review disagrees with you. But you are smarter than everyone else. They all must be paid off by Ford.

I think he looks at it from a very objective lens and there's more than that to when someone desires a certain car. So while they disagree with him on the subjective level, he's not wrong about it being fairly over priced for the performance you get.

Obviously it's worth the price to some because it sells, why ever that may be isn't important.

[Rodan]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I guess I'll just never understand the mentality of buying something that performs less but costs more.

How about a Porsche GT3?

A good friend has a 997.1 GT3. It's slower than my ZL1, but if I had the money, I'd own one in a heartbeat. And not because it's a "Porsche".... because it's an AMAZING car to drive.

There's more to the equation than outright performance, and people put emphasis on different aspects.

Newmoon is correct (ouch, that hurt) that many reviewers picked the clearly inferior performing GT350 over the ZL1... they put a big emphasis on a 'driving experience' that IMHO was mostly driven by the exhaust sound. I got over being loud when I hit 30, so that doesn't really appeal to me. Add in the ADM, cheap interior, and engine problems, and I wasn't all that interested in a GT350. They do sound good, though...

[wnta1ss]

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

What I'm really interested to see is how the dct holds up when more power is added in the aftermarket. That will be a real test of its appeal as well I'd imagine. Idk exactly what it's rated to but I doubt it's as overbuilt as a Porsche dct. Out of the box it's a great and fast vehicle but I want to see how the dct handles real power especially considering it's on a 4000+ pound vehicle.

Besides the new transmission, there is also the question of whether the GT500's engine will hold up. Look at the S550 GT350 for example, as they are still blowing up, even after a few years of production. I've seen a 2018 GT350 blown up, and it's now on it's 3rd engine. Yep, car is just a year old and has blown the engine twice so far. We also know that the 2018+ 5.0 Mustang engines have proven to be problematic. The warranty will be a VERY important thing for the GT500 buyers, at least until there is some history on whether they have an unusually high amount of problems like the other current performance Mustang engines have, or don't.

[rocket403]

Here is a Review of the GT500, the guy reviewing the Mustang is Ford guy who races a Cobra Jet and is a friend of Demonology

He lays out the fact that the DCT is not the best for drag racing and that the car has a very slow 60'

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

I guess I'll just never understand the mentality of buying something that performs less but costs more. I could see if the R was much cheaper or offered luxury components/options that are not available in the GT500 or was a different model. Like let's say the R was $60K and the GT500 is $74K I could see how someone who can afford both might be attracted to the R. Or in the case of cars like a Vette vs a Camaro I could see someone being attracted to a Vette over a ZL1. But the GT350R and the GT500 are both Mustangs. If the SRT8 was the same price as a Hellcat or the Hellcat was the same price as the Redeye or a Nismo 370Z priced the same as a GTR then why would anyone pick the slower of the two? At the same price, and if both are on the lot at the same time, I don't see how or why anyone would walk past a GT500 and choose the R. Regardless of trans or higher revving engines. The performance difference between those two cars are significant. The gap is too wide.

If someone can honestly say they would walk past the GT500 and buy the more expensive R and truly be happy with that decision, then damned if I know anything. And it baffles me that a company can offer a car that is slower in everything while costing more and people buy it. I have not seen that attitude with any other car. Now what I think is that people just say they prefer the R because deep down inside they know the GT500 is pretty much unattainable. Or they know they won't get it at a decent price. And what I also don't understand is how come out of all the people talking GT500 nobody is actually buying one. LostM claimed he was buying one but I think he was FOS. Even if he was telling the truth that is just one person. So I don't get it and I probably never will.

Get a gt350 instead of the R and you can get it for considerably less than gt500 money.

What if someone is a mustang fan, loves the way they look, feel, and sound but wants a more connected visceral manual car experience? The 350/350R is obviously the way to go for them. If I was a ford loyalist it'd be gt350 or pp2 for me and no other way about it. Those are the best options offered for people with those preferences, and for a brand loyalist the thought of a better performing camaro for the money wouldn't sway their decision anyways. Might not be the most logical but personal preferances weight heavily in sports car buying decisions.

I think you might be right though as far as non enthusiasts and most people now days go though, most can't drive for shit and want/need an automatic as well as the car that wins the dick measuring contest on paper, so if given the choice between the way faster car for 75k vs a slower one for 73k the choice is easy. Throw Adm's in there and the gt350s attractiveness goes up though.

[SlitherByU]

Originally Posted by ST1LE

DAMN they look GOOD in silver too!!!

It's about 60 miles from my front door.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by Rodan

How about a Porsche GT3?

A good friend has a 997.1 GT3. It's slower than my ZL1, but if I had the money, I'd own one in a heartbeat. And not because it's a "Porsche".... because it's an AMAZING car to drive.

There's more to the equation than outright performance, and people put emphasis on different aspects.

Newmoon is correct (ouch, that hurt) that many reviewers picked the clearly inferior performing GT350 over the ZL1... they put a big emphasis on a 'driving experience' that IMHO was mostly driven by the exhaust sound. I got over being loud when I hit 30, so that doesn't really appeal to me. Add in the ADM, cheap interior, and engine problems, and I wasn't all that interested in a GT350. They do sound good, though...

I agree with you but those P cars are very different than a mustang of any kind; experience, price, target market, and performance. As the latest gt3 rs is in a different stratosphere than a gt350 and even bests the nightly zle on a lot of tracks.

Your point still stands though lol.

[SlitherByU]

Originally Posted by wnta1ss

Besides the new transmission, there is also the question of whether the GT500's engine will hold up. Look at the S550 GT350 for example, as they are still blowing up, even after a few years of production. I've seen a 2018 GT350 blown up, and it's now on it's 3rd engine. Yep, car is just a year old and has blown the engine twice so far. We also know that the 2018+ 5.0 Mustang engines have proven to be problematic. The warranty will be a VERY important thing for the GT500 buyers, at least until there is some history on whether they have an unusually high amount of problems like the other current performance Mustang engines have, or don't.

This guy has done the best to put together decent data

https://overrunautomotive.com/articl...y-the-numbers/