05-25-2017, 08:42 PM | #421 | |
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As for the ZL1 beating the "snot" out of the GT350R....I'd hardly call 4 10th's of a second beating the "snot". It was closer than most people thought....so much so that many in here were trying to make up excuses why (which is what brought me in here in the first place). I agree, the GT500 is totally MIA and may never come out. As of right now, so is the Z28 though. If the GT500 comes out, you can bet your ass it won't be the track debacle that the last one was. Whose to say they don't also release a GT500R? There is also speculation of a MACH I. Ford release far more specialty cars for the mustang than GM for the Camaro...but they always have. With that said, all of these cars don't always have to lineup. It is just natural however to pit Fords forced induction against Chevy's and NA against NA. Until ford comes out with the GT500 and Chevy the Z28...what we have is what we have. |
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05-25-2017, 08:43 PM | #422 |
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I agree with you here. Of course fun is subjective and my personal experience is I have fun when I blow by everyone on the straights. More power helps make that a lot easier.... hence my propensity to add turbos to an otherwise great handling car.
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05-25-2017, 08:57 PM | #423 | |
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I'm actually not taking the loss personally, you are (the GT350R did win the head to head after-all). You are spouting out how "unspecial" the GT350R is and that it has the "worst flat plane crank". It's as if you have to start making up reasons to justify your disdain for the GT350R in an attempt to make the Camaro look better. Why don't you go back and re-read all of my posts. With the except of visibility issues, try to find all of the negative things I say against the ZL1 and get back with me. What you will find will reveal exactly who's taking this loss in stride, and who is taking it poorly. |
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05-25-2017, 08:59 PM | #424 |
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For sure! I know guys who use ultralight fishing rods exclusively because they have more fun. I personally gave up ultra-fast cars for reliable daily drivers. My car is fast enough for me, and plenty fun. Hell, an S2000 is a damn fun car. ..it screams in the higher RPMs and makes you drive it like you stole it.
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Really you praising the Voodoo engine is getting a little dreamy. Compared to your traditional 6000-7000 RPM small block that most muscle cars have, yes it's different or "special"...But for a flat plane crank, it is far from it. All the european flat planes from Porsche/Ferrari/Lamborghini/McLaren rev to at least 9,000...And quite a few are even higher. 8200 RPM with all the power from 5500 up is not impressive. Why don't you go look up the 458 engine's dyno numbers and see how they were able to make power in a much more special way and still rev to 9000+ RPM. The 458 holds the record for HP per liter in a production car.
Ford in my book, kind of half assed the voodoo with too big of displacement which caused them to make it rev slower (due to the heavier crank and what not) (Now you're back to standard small block revs, you heard them say the LT4 revs/responds faster), plus they couldn't fit the dual intakes like Flat planes should have, and gave it the different length headers which made it not sound like a flat plane at all. So in my book, special for a MUSTANG? Yes, sure, maybe. Special in the world of Flat plane crank engines? Not even close. Last edited by Can'tHave2MuchHP; 05-25-2017 at 09:14 PM. |
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You're comparing a Ford engine to a Porche/Lamborghini...compliment 2. The voodoo is the largest flat plane V8 produced....and it's done in a working man priced production car. You're bitchcing about the voodoo only making 526 horsepower out of a 5.2l engine when the camaro is only making 455hp out of a 6.2l? Really? The thing is, even though it doesn't sound the same as a Ferrari...it has it's own marvelous exhaust note. Hell, the motortrend guys love it so much that it likely helped push them over the edge on their vote. The voodoo is unlike any other motor Ford produces. This is the difference between the the mustang and the camaro. All of the camaros use a different variant of the same engine. The uniqueness of the GT350 comes from the voodoo engine. Quote:
I do agree, ZL1 is more of a jack of all trades...but it should be. It's touting more power, more torque and a more compliant road suspension. |
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Mustang fanboy should write a book of excuses.
I bet it will be nice when the mustang finally beats the Camaro at something and not need to constantly defend it. make up excuses. throw out what ifs. add mods. future models. this has got to be exhausting lmao. you ever check your blood pressure? oh yeah....SALES!!!!!...you got that bro lol |
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But again, this is all fun. I take nothing personally. |
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Excuse #2 - "The ZL1 has 124 more hp and 221 more tq" Excuse #3 - "The GT500 is gonna come out..." |
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05-25-2017, 10:35 PM | #433 |
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i think both cars are cool, the voodoo is awesome and so is the lt4
we need both of these cars and companies competing to improve the breed. These 'pony' cars are legit threats to some serious cars on the track, and it's only because they push each other. |
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I didn't buy the car because someone drove it really fast at the ring. I didn't buy it because Al said the car was great. I didn't buy it because some magazine said it was better than some other car. I bought it because I like it. Nobody's opinion matters to me but mine. Period!
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