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You're never going to get a 100% fair comparison between two vehicle purchases, but I still think that looking at the price paid means more than what the MSRP is listed at. I'm no fanboy one way or the other. I originally wanted a GT350 and ended up in a ZL1 because I could not get a GT350 for the same price. MSRP is just not a very useful tool for cars like the Shelby's that consistently sell for WAY more, especially where I live, other than knowing exactly how much you got bent over for. |
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Lol ... with that camera angle in the video I saw it looked downhill. After seeing other videos, it's flat track up to the 1/4 mile then becomes uphill. So it doesn't affect acceleration. No excuses here.
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So where do you think we are wrong? I personally already said I don't care for 1/4 mile times. I value acceleration, and 650HP/650TQ is plenty for me. Ford realized the car community value HP/1/4 mile too much and thus put a giant supercharger twice the size of the Camaro one to get 760HP(likely underrated too) coupled with a DCT and a drag mode meant to get perfect launches at the strip. In doing so, automotive journalists managed to get an 11.1 1/4 time which is impressive. The A10 ZL1 get's like an 11.4. That's not a big difference to me. And I prefer a manual anyway. And if I was in the market for a new muscle car, I'd go with the manual ZL1 for the fun factor, value, looks and overall balance of the chassis. |
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When comparing two competing companies and their offerings, objectively, MSRP is the only valid value to use. It's the same reason we use factory condition 'stock' vehicles as a standard for comparisons.
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10-30-2019, 04:04 PM | #4248 |
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Also, I mean comparably equipped. I do not think the base 500 is comparably equipped to a ZL1 at $73K, so that is not necessarily the right MSRP number to start with.
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you may be right, but id have to look into ZL1 options. but the base gt500 comes with a lot standard. ill be back |
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'Nice try' what? I've never been to the track, just based on the video it looks flat to me up to 1/4 mile. If you have data to suggest otherwise you can present it. Although it's not going to make a difference. Everyone agrees the GT500 is faster in a straight line.
You are not going to find any GT500 for 73K OTD. You can get a ZL1 for 65K OTD. Minimum OTD price for a GT500 is 80K. And that is for something that will likely not out handle the base ZL1. You would need to step up to the 95K MSRP track pack GT500 to out handle the ZL1 and ZL1 1LE. No, I do not consider 1/4 mile to be deciding parameter for performance. Although I do agree with you that Ford, 5 years late, and with lots of tuning to the car, did make it a great performer. But, it cost them more to match the ZL1's performance in overall performance as they are working with an inferior chassis. And it's also going to cost consumers more. Of course there are some consumers that only care about high HP numbers and 1/4 mile. So good for them. Here we are comparing overall performance and value though. |
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Absolutely man! GM has been high on my list for a while because they offer amazing performance cars at a great price. I wish Ford did too, but anything from Ford that performs tends to be pretty expensive relatively speaking. Some are great performing cars, but the price usually has me buying a competitors product, and not because I can't afford it, I just think the OTD price tends to be a bit high for the offerings.
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I would like to know this.
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