[cdb95z28]

If all you do is drive in warm to hot dry conditions, street and/or track, and do not want to give up any steering feel or performance, Goodyear 3 all day long.

For everything else, the Continental ESC will be damn near what the Michelin is without the higher cost.

[CW3SF]

Wow this thread exploded today lol. I run 2 sets of wheels. I run SC3s on my local road course and I run MPS4s on the street. The SC3s will run circles around the MPS4s on a road course but they don’t hold a candle to the MPS4s on the street. Two completely different purposes for the 2 tires. I put about 4,000 miles and multiple track days on my last SC3s and they still have about half tread wear left. If dedicated only to track duty they last extremely well for a track tire. And they perform amazingly when properly heated on track.

[Vtor_ZL1]

Originally Posted by bmsluite

Have you run the SC3 on the street? How harsh is it? I live in Chicago and our roads are a joke so it does make a quite a difference. A while back I had a car with some federal 240TW tires on it and it was honestly painful to drive it on the street in the city. Every pothole made me feel like I was going to break part of my suspension.

I have a ZLE - everything is harsh.. but by FAR PS4S make the car.. much more pleasant than Sc3R, Re71R and ever the Blizzak LM32 !

[Vigilante375]

Originally Posted by HoodCheck

I'm one that says that not only are they horrible, they are the worst I've ever used. I'm aware that they aren't worth a damn until theyre warmed up supposedly, but in my experience, even after that, they weren't gripping a thing....more tire hop than anything. Actually thats the main reason I don't like the P-Zeros either (to be fair though, I have only tried the P-Zeros on Z/28s). I will also say that much of the time, I'm not driving far enough to warm up tires (3-10 miles at a time typically, maybe a couple times a day tops), but I am solely basing my experience with them on the longer drives I had done since the grocery trips to the store down the street dont really count to warm them up.
I won't get into tread wear, because yea, even small daily drives with no racing/burnouts/etc, half the tread is gone within the first 3-4k miles....I don't really count that because yea, they were trying to do a streetable track type tire.

Its interesting to see the responses in here, especially those that are completely opposite from my experience with the same tires being named in the thread.

Yes and like others, you just say because you don't understand what SC3/SC3R tires were meant for vs a PS4S tire. 2 totally different tires meant for 2 totally different scenario's. And losing half the tread life on the SC3/SC3R in about 4k miles from just driving around is about right. It's a high grip tire with a very low life.

If you've never took your car to a road course with the SC3/SC3R tires then you will never understand on much grip they do have. They do take time to warm up but the SC3/SC3R tires are the best road course AND street tire for those that want to experience what the ZL1 was meant to do, carve corners....when it's dry and warm outside.

I've never experienced wheel hop with the SC3 (on track) or the P Zero's (on the street) unless the conditions were not good. You know, wet or cold and too much throttle.

If you want to talk about wheel hop, then go drive a 04-06 GTO. You'll wheel hop no matter the tire, even at stock levels.

I'm sure if anyone reads the track section of Camaro6, you'll find out which tires are good and which are not....

[HoodCheck]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

Yes and like others, you just say because you don't understand what SC3/SC3R tires were meant for vs a PS4S tire. 2 totally different tires meant for 2 totally different scenario's. And losing half the tread life on the SC3/SC3R in about 4k miles from just driving around is about right. It's a high grip tire with a very low life.

If you've never took your car to a road course with the SC3/SC3R tires then you will never understand on much grip they do have. They do take time to warm up but the SC3/SC3R tires are the best road course AND street tire for those that want to experience what the ZL1 was meant to do, carve corners....when it's dry and warm outside.

I've never experienced wheel hop with the SC3 (on track) or the P Zero's (on the street) unless the conditions were not good. You know, wet or cold and too much throttle.

If you want to talk about wheel hop, then go drive a 04-06 GTO. You'll wheel hop no matter the tire, even at stock levels.

I'm sure if anyone reads the track section of Camaro6, you'll find out which tires are good and which are not....

Well I see you jumped straight to assumptions there. Like I've owned 20+ camaros/firebirds/etc in my life and don't know lol....I am looking at the tires from primarily a street/daily perspective, based on my experiences with them on a previous ZL1 I owned (its the only time I used them).

Make no mistake, while I'm not typically an aggressive driver, I do have some back roads that are pretty empty frequently enough to play on, complete with light and nearly hairpin turns (where the road itself even has a decent angle on on the sharper turns)....its not like I NEVER play with my cars...I just don't waste time or money going to tracks and such. Am I going to go balls out as much as I would on a track, no, just in case, but it doesn't mean I don't play occasionally. I'm a rebel, I'm opposed to the rules that going to the track implies (especially helmet and cage rules) lol.

I would expect the PS4S to have better street manners, and of course they do.
And yes, I do mean tire hop when getting on the throttle, mainly from a stop, but also at low speed (same applying to both the P Zero and SC3). I did drive on the things for quite a long time before I swapped over to PS4S; I was trying to be ok with the things and avoid buying new tires before I really needed to, but couldn't hold off that long.

I've owned an 05 GTO, so very very familiar with those.

[Vigilante375]

Originally Posted by HoodCheck

Well I see you jumped straight to assumptions there. Like I've owned 20+ camaros/firebirds/etc in my life and don't know lol....I am looking at the tires from primarily a street/daily perspective, based on my experiences with them on a previous ZL1 I owned (its the only time I used them).

Make no mistake, while I'm not typically an aggressive driver, I do have some back roads that are pretty empty frequently enough to play on, complete with light and nearly hairpin turns (where the road itself even has a decent angle on on the sharper turns)....its not like I NEVER play with my cars...I just don't waste time or money going to tracks and such. Am I going to go balls out as much as I would on a track, no, just in case, but it doesn't mean I don't play occasionally. I'm a rebel, I'm opposed to the rules that going to the track implies (especially helmet and cage rules) lol.

I would expect the PS4S to have better street manners, and of course they do.
And yes, I do mean tire hop when getting on the throttle, mainly from a stop, but also at low speed (same applying to both the P Zero and SC3). I did drive on the things for quite a long time before I swapped over to PS4S; I was trying to be ok with the things and avoid buying new tires before I really needed to, but couldn't hold off that long.

I've owned an 05 GTO, so very very familiar with those.

If you're never going to waste time to drive the car on a road course then yes, the hardcore, track focused tire that the ZL1 came with with not fit your needs.

The typical back road, curvy on/off ramps or highway exchanges won't give you but a taste of what the SC3/SC3R tires can give you.

So if your needs are for a mild manner, daily drive type type then the stock Goodyears won't do it.

I'll have to pay attention to the wheel hop next time I drive but I don't do much low speed, full throttle stomps when it's not nice weather, like it is right now.

I had an 06 GTO I bought new in 2007 (leftover) and loved it. I would still have it if some dumbass on their phone hadn't rear ended me.

[HoodCheck]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

If you're never going to waste time to drive the car on a road course then yes, the hardcore, track focused tire that the ZL1 came with with not fit your needs.

The typical back road, curvy on/off ramps or highway exchanges won't give you but a taste of what the SC3/SC3R tires can give you.

So if your needs are for a mild manner, daily drive type type then the stock Goodyears won't do it.

I'll have to pay attention to the wheel hop next time I drive but I don't do much low speed, full throttle stomps when it's not nice weather, like it is right now.

I had an 06 GTO I bought new in 2007 (leftover) and loved it. I would still have it if some dumbass on their phone hadn't rear ended me.

Oh dude that sucks to hear about the goat; at least you came out alright!
I had mine back in 08-09, but had to give mine up due to my sons cancer treatments/meds being too expensive (even after insurance)...and yes, he kicked cancers ass and is now a cool ass 16 yr old about to get his own license Lost a lot in those days, but it was worth it.

[AZ_1LE]

Originally Posted by HoodCheck

Actually I say why right above your comment lol

Damn things hop like a rabbit running from a coyote; they would NEVER get any traction for me, ever. I'm not aggressive with my cars typically though honestly, so I'm talking just normal driving (well, normal driving for me...I do like the green light to come up, but I don't do burnouts).

Wheel hop is a suspension issue, not a tire issue. Put some solid bushings and better arms in and that problem gets eliminated.

[pauly1119]

Since I don’t track my car PS4S was the best tire. I liked the way the GY tires looked and felt but was always concerned about getting caught in a Florida rain storm. They where bad enough on cool days before they warmed up.

[HoodCheck]

Originally Posted by AZ_1LE

Wheel hop is a suspension issue, not a tire issue. Put some solid bushings and better arms in and that problem gets eliminated.

I have a ZLE nowadays, so maybe they would behave better on her. I have PS4S on the ZLE right now though.
BUT, that being said, I can't say that wouldn't do the trick, because both the Z/28 and regular ZL1 don't have the solid bushings. BUT, I did NOT have the tire hop issue with PS4S at all on either of those same cars. I did have it with the SC3 and PZeros though. As a result, I equated it to the tires. The PS4S would grab the ground right away without the hop skip and jump to the right in the rear.
Now that I think about it though, for both the regular ZL1 and the Z/28, I had the PS4S on OEM Z/28 wheels...I had put the Z/28 wheels onto the regular ZL1 too, which increased the footprint of the wheel on the rear, so perhaps that contributed to eliminating the wheel hop for at least the ZL1.

[CW3SF]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

If you're never going to waste time to drive the car on a road course then yes, the hardcore, track focused tire that the ZL1 came with with not fit your needs.

The typical back road, curvy on/off ramps or highway exchanges won't give you but a taste of what the SC3/SC3R tires can give you.

….

^This 100%. I didn’t realize just how good the SC3s are until I actually put them on a road course. Street driving does not duplicate road course conditions (at least it didn’t for me).

[JSH]

You're not alone. I seriously doubt that even 1% of the miles driven by the members here are on the track. We drive street cars with the occasional track visit.

Originally Posted by pauly1119

Since I don’t track my car PS4S was the best tire.

[CW3SF]

Originally Posted by JSH

You're not alone. I seriously doubt that even 1% of the miles driven by the members here are on the track. We drive street cars with the occasional track visit.

Come on out this year. It’s a blast.

[JSH]

I made some laps when it was stock but not in this build. There are no noise restrictions, right?

Originally Posted by CW3SF

Come on out this year. It’s a blast.