[Glen e]

The answer is in:
With a polisher, no need, by hand, yes IPA or eraser

https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...35#post1541735

Straight from carpro.

2 - Do I have to use Eraser between Essence and CQuartz?

If your using Essence by machine and you wait until the vehicle is finished then you can apply Reload or CQuartz after you finish the vehicle starting in the same direction you polished. If you want to be ultra safe you can still Eraser but in our testings to date we have not seen any failure when we skipped Eraser.

If your using Essence by hand then we recommend you use Eraser before coating.

[Burly]

Originally Posted by oneredry

well glen we will see and please keep us posted. I already bought those products from yesterdays cyber sale, so I hope it all wasn't a wast.

Definitely not a waste, this combination is the best thing I’ve seen. I think the Eraser step is not necessary unless you applied by hand or in a hurry to apply a coating. What I’ve learned from this is generally good idea to wait a while for the Essence to fully cure and I believe this depends on the climate.

[Glen e]

Not sure why this minor wrinkle would make this stuff a “waste”?

Forums can be so extreme....

[SSport16]

Originally Posted by Glen e

In no way is it a waste… I’m just picky about what was told to me versus now what is adding an extra step. There still killer products even if you do have to do an alcohol/ water wipe down which takes 15 minutes. For me it’s more the principle of the thing.

PS. I just checked with my guru on the West Coast of Florida that is a master detailer and actually gave me my first bottle of essence. He’s not doing any ipa wipe down between essence and reload either. And never seen any haze.

I think the haze comes from too much Essence. I have had it a couple of times, very light, it is when I put just a dab too much on the pad.

[Glen e]

Originally Posted by SSport16

I think the haze comes from too much Essence. I have had it a couple of times, very light, it is when I put just a dab too much on the pad.

Agreed, we ALL use too much of a product, most of the time.

[SSport16]

For the bunch of times I have polished with Essence, waited a short period of time to apply Reload, I have never had any bonding issues or the Reload not holding up over time. I get 6 months out of an application for both of my vehicles. Sometimes people take things too literal or overthink things. I am going to continue doing what I have been doing and enjoy the gloss, durability, and ease of cleaning with these products.

[SSport16]

Originally Posted by Glen e

Agreed, we ALL use too much of a product, most of the time.

LOL...I sometimes still can't wrap my head around the less is more thing!

[Glen e]

Originally Posted by SSport16

LOL...I sometimes still can't wrap my head around the less is more thing!

This will drive The OCD/over thinkers into a frenzy… I’d never do itbut it just shows the ingenuity of some people.

From the Ageek thread:

“You can apply directly after with reload or hydro2 without eraser or ipa. If you use a polisher to apply essence.
How do you polish with essence? They have a little special step to polish it. Recommendation are that you have the speed on 2-3 on the polisher. And when essence clears you go up to speed 4 to induse heat to activate the resins and work it for 2-3 minutes.
Of course you can do it at you use to. But to get the most out of essence I think this is a good way to do it. There is alot of opinions hos to do it. I take this recommendation from carpro UK on how to work with it.”

[Burly]

Originally Posted by Glen e

This will drive The OCD/over thinkers into a frenzy… I’d never do itbut it just shows the ingenuity of some people.

From the Ageek thread:

“You can apply directly after with reload or hydro2 without eraser or ipa. If you use a polisher to apply essence.
How do you polish with essence? They have a little special step to polish it. Recommendation are that you have the speed on 2-3 on the polisher. And when essence clears you go up to speed 4 to induse heat to activate the resins and work it for 2-3 minutes.
Of course you can do it at you use to. But to get the most out of essence I think this is a good way to do it. There is alot of opinions hos to do it. I take this recommendation from carpro UK on how to work with it.”

2-3 minutes?! That'll definitely heat it up!

[Joe M 2012 2SS]

This is how you apply Essence, and how much product to use.
Meguiars DMF finishing pads are great with it. 1 slow pass, product will be clear, go over the edges, wipe off the little residue that remains, go to next section.

You can't do this with a standard finishing polish. It takes 4-6 section passes with them to get it to flash (turn clear). Essence also leaves a layer of protection that lasts up to a year.

My car is not garaged and it lasted a year, and would have gone longer. I had to do two APC washes to remove it all after a year. I do top it with Reload, and do a Hydrofoam wash every 3 months.

The DMF pad creates a bit more heat than a foam pad. Unless your in the rare occasion to have an unusual clearcoat that doesn't like Essence, you wont have any hazing with it. When your done with the panel, check it with a light. If you have a spot that looks hazy, this is just excess product. Make a quick pass over the spot (don't add more product) and it's gone.

[oneredry]

now it seems much more clear. Thanks all for the research, and its a good thing I asked! I'll look forward to when the products get here and the time comes to reflect back on this thread.

**what I meant as a waste was, wondering if I wasted my money on the incorrect product. didn't mean to have it being taken out of context.

[SSport16]

Originally Posted by Glen e

This will drive The OCD/over thinkers into a frenzy… I’d never do itbut it just shows the ingenuity of some people.

From the Ageek thread:

“You can apply directly after with reload or hydro2 without eraser or ipa. If you use a polisher to apply essence.
How do you polish with essence? They have a little special step to polish it. Recommendation are that you have the speed on 2-3 on the polisher. And when essence clears you go up to speed 4 to induse heat to activate the resins and work it for 2-3 minutes.
Of course you can do it at you use to. But to get the most out of essence I think this is a good way to do it. There is alot of opinions hos to do it. I take this recommendation from carpro UK on how to work with it.”

Good info!

[jeportera]

Originally Posted by Joe M 2012 2SS

This is how you apply Essence, and how much product to use.
Meguiars DMF finishing pads are great with it. 1 slow pass, product will be clear, go over the edges, wipe off the little residue that remains, go to next section.

You can't do this with a standard finishing polish. It takes 4-6 section passes with them to get it to flash (turn clear). Essence also leaves a layer of protection that lasts up to a year.

My car is not garaged and it lasted a year, and would have gone longer. I had to do two APC washes to remove it all after a year. I do top it with Reload, and do a Hydrofoam wash every 3 months.

The DMF pad creates a bit more heat than a foam pad. Unless your in the rare occasion to have an unusual clearcoat that doesn't like Essence, you wont have any hazing with it. When your done with the panel, check it with a light. If you have a spot that looks hazy, this is just excess product. Make a quick pass over the spot (don't add more product) and it's gone.

Joe which DMF pad do you use? Thanks

[Joe M 2012 2SS]

Originally Posted by jeportera

Joe which DMF pad do you use? Thanks

I use the Meguiars 5" DMF pad on my Rupes 21, I changed the backing plate from the 6" to the 5". Some people state that you cannot use the Rupes 5" backing plate with the Rupes 21, but that isn't true.

The machine is balanced by weight, and the 5" weighs exactly the same as the 6" one does. Kevin Brown (probably the best detailer in the world), has been doing it for a long time. He also invented a washer mod for the original Rupes 21, which keeps the pad spinning on curves, so I haven't had the need to try the new Mark II, since changing the backing plate and adding the KB washer mod. I'm sure it's a good machine though. If my original one ever goes bad, I'll get the newer version.

Now I don't have the newer Mark II Rupes 21, so I don't know if the backing plates for it are able to be changed from 6" to 5". I also use the 3" Meg's DMF pads on my Rupes Mini.

These pads will also work with a standard DA, just get the proper sized backing plate. Meguiar's actually makes a backing plate specific for these pads for a standard DA (they call them disc's instead of pads).