[cellsafemode]

Originally Posted by Lazerbrainz2k3

It's not just inflation, you should also adjust for the value of the additional safety & tech consumers have long since been demanding in even the most entry-level vehicles.

Also, there's the performance you're getting for your money - even compared to the '90s, the cheapest and least powerful Camaro of today can out-perform the most expensive V8 Z28's of that era. If it's all about the number of cylinders to you, then yes, today's V8s are outside the reasonable & financially semi-responsible reach of most young people today, but the smaller engine trims are reasonably priced versus inflation, and the performance those smaller engines provide is a big step up compared to what you got in the '90s (especially since even then, most people were getting the base trim and accompanying V6).

Furthermore, with a turbo four as the cheapest engine option , which offers the most potential for (relatively) cheap power gains, in line with the mods so many other young people are known to show interest in these days. No, you can't manually adjust the timing with simple hand tools like in the old days, but the young have found other things to adjust, and seem to enjoy it just fine.

As for the notion that "if you're not modding why buy a Camaro?", that's right up there with "if you're not buying a V8 why buy a Camaro?" My last Camaro was a 2010 V6 which I lightly modded for kicks, but now that I've got an SS I've got more performance than I could ever reasonably use on the street, so why bother modding this one? Insisting that your reasons for owning and how (whether it's about cylinders or tinkering) must necessarily be everyone else's as well is awfully arrogant.

I never said they had to or insisted that they needed to, to be a man. I only stated that I dont see why they would because to me that's the point of them, and I assume most people who take the time to join a camaro forum would be in the same boat as modding and talking about other people's mods is what goes on mostly. In other words, i'm restricting the camaro driver demographic rather than what the V8 people do and try and restrict the definition of a camaro. Both wrong (to people i dont agree with), but on very different levels.

Though I also treat my car choice like i pick my computer hardware so the idea of someone cross shopping between a camaro and another car and not being sure is also alien. Like someone going to an electronics store and not knowing if they're getting an intel cpu or amd. I tend to have no interest in talking to those kind of people.

[Red Chief]

I remember watching a doc on TV in 1988 on the Iroc-Z. With 240hp you could see the momentum starting to shift back toward respectable power along with the improved tech.

That's really when it all began with me and Camaros.

[IOMCamaroSS]

Have no idea what a "1969 Style widebody" is but I'm interested to see this build.

[USAFS197]

They just posted the wheel design they plan on going with.

[Corner carver]

I actually like those....was also born in '83, so....

[gpskinzhut]

If they resell those I'd consider them, so long as they don't have the IROC-Z branding on them. I still don't like the overall concept or design of the car though. Doesn't fit the lineage at all IMO.

[dpevans]

I would like to see NASCAR get back into the IROC series. Have GM supply 15 identical off the line gen 6 Z28s if in the pipeline or ZL1 1LEs. the only mod would be tires and brakes. Maybe that would get some interest back in racing ovals.

[Gunkk]

Originally Posted by dpevans

I would like to see NASCAR get back into the IROC series. Have GM supply 15 identical off the line gen 6 Z28s if in the pipeline or ZL1 1LEs. the only mod would be tires and brakes. Maybe that would get some interest back in racing ovals.

Gotta mod the stock gearing or it can't reach superspeedway top speed of 200+ So you gotta allow tranny and rear diff mods.

Then they'll want to mod the suspensions for racing the ovals, and the aero kits of course.

But wait, the drivers will demand safety gear: roll cages, fire suppression, airbag delete, fuel cells, air flaps, etc., etc., etc.

[DFWZ28]

i had an 86 red iroc-z. absolutely loved the car. sleek design, directional goodyear gatorback tires, 17" wheels, TPI engine, open air T-Tops. for its time, it was a great car.

would love to see this 6th gen car.

[gpskinzhut]

Originally Posted by dpevans

I would like to see NASCAR get back into the IROC series. Have GM supply 15 identical off the line gen 6 Z28s if in the pipeline or ZL1 1LEs. the only mod would be tires and brakes. Maybe that would get some interest back in racing ovals.

Given the downward trend for NASCAR and the fact that the IROC series died due to lack of sponsorship, I'd say you'd have a very tough time selling it.

[chrisvr6]

[SK GT]

Love the wheels. First can was a 89 camaro, 305 TBI. Slowest camaro probably in history that had a V8

[6LE Designs]

Lol, this thread made me smile. I don't think ANYONE will be disappointed by the car.

It's wider than the ZL1 1LE but I doubt you'd know it unless they were next to each other. It's not your traditional "wide body" that's all bloated. It's like the 1969 (the fenders on the 69 were kind of pinched and pulled out, looks more like a styling choice than wide body even though it's a wide body, same here).

It's lighter as well. Yeah, the glass roof isn't light but our full vaccum bagged carbon fiber front clip, quarters and trunk shaved a LOT of weight.

I LOVE the IROC. My fondest memories of highschool are skipping school in my friend's IROC. Everytime I saw the fake news click bait that it was coming back I got excited... then... to be honest... one night I was high (I live in CA) and realized "How would GM bring it back if they never owned the name, just licensed it... WAIT, THEY JUST LICENSED IT!!!" Got a lawyer the next day.

Did our best to design a car that embodied the spirit (which to me was an all around FUN car) and, hopefully, feels like if the name had lived on this whole time this is EXACTLY what GM would have done with it.

IROC style grill.

IROC style headlight buckets.

IROC style louvers on the hood (modern though, they are heat extractors designed by the same designer who does stuff for Vorstseiner).

IROC style 3 piece spoiler.

That's as much as I could incorporate from the old car directly into this one without getting cheesey.

Well, except the rims. I'm a EXTREMELY proud of the rims, they are part of the car I designed by myself because everyone else thought there was no way to do a modern interpretation of the rims. Hopefully I proved them wrong.

After that, we simply tried to apply the best of CAMARO wherever we could and also made sure everything else made it PERFORM.

The Wilwood brakes are insane. The coil overs are fantastic and have more travel in the rear the the ZL1s everyone is complaining about. Sway bars are great. Base package being a Whipple Charged motor, CAI and Exhaust give it an honest 600+ hp to the wheels.

Yes, you will THINK you recognize a lot of ZL1 parts on it then when you really look closer (and see nothing from a ZL1 would actually bolt up to this car, we redesigned it all to make cleaner lines) you'll see it's similar to what the ZL1 is to the ZL1 1LE but even more redesigned (appearance wise).

We didn't do t-tops because we didn't want a cheesy 6th Gen trying to be a 3rd Gen (t-tops just don't go with the lines on this car in my personal opinion... and I LOVE LOVE LOVE t-tops) but part of the fun of my friend's highschool IROC was seeing the sky above you...

SO, we invested a LOT of money making a full glass roof, it is DOT approved (went through all that process) and has curves with no distortion NEVER seen before. How can I say this with confidence? The roof designer has over 700 factory concept cars under his belt. He had to develop an entire new process to form this roof. It's phenomenal.

Honestly, we've done so much to this car I forget all of it at this point. All I'll say if I made IROC fans happy with my rim design, you will NOT be disappointed with the car.

Our plan is also not to leave any market segment (price segment) out. Of course, the full car (the one that will be at SEMA) is pricey. I have over $100k in building the car thus far, not including the purchase price.

Fully optioned out, a Red Letter Edition IROC-Z (red letter meaning the Z will be red, you'll understand soon) will be priced the same as a 2017 Trans Am Super Duty just due to how much is involved in converting the car.

We will have a Black Letter Edition IROC-Z as well (black Z). A non-widebodied version that is more like the "Yenko" packages out there now.

Finally, we will have affordable parts modeled after the car. The real cars get the vacuum bagged carbon fiber parts, but we will sell similar versions in fiberglass for the average person to buy.

Same as the rims. Fully forged 3 piece rims for the real cars, cast rims for sale to the general public priced around the price of your normal "replica" rims.

Me, my wife and my designer Albert have put every penny we could find and every second we could spare into just doing our best to make a Camaro that Camaro lovers would love and most importantly appreciate the attention to "Camaro" detail involved.

I'm trying to find a teaser pic or two to leave you guys with, here's the rim pics I just posted and a little something new...















Just some EARLY in the rough pics as a thank you to this site that's helped me get where I am

Yes, we did our best to take CAMARO parts/ideas (hence using the COPO style hood, ZL1 style grill, etc...) and build them into a GEN 6 IROC-Z (hence the grill's new opening, the hood having louvers) but in a FUNCTIONAL way (our hood already dropped IAT's 13* on average... wait until this bad boy hits the track lol!).

If you pay attention, you'll even realize the IROC-Z rims I designed are a combination of the old 5 spoke and the 5th Gen ZL1 rims. I want EVERYTHING on this car to feel CAMARO down to the reverse mohawk in the glass room.

The best way I can say it is this... I cared enough about this name and it's heritage that I, a small one man company, worked my butt to EXHAUSTION to make sure I could afford to DESIGN rims FOR the car, not just stick on some aftermarket rims (even though the Ringbrothers G-Force were tempting).

I care about this name, it means a great deal to me and I am PROUD to say I had the honor of being the man (along with my wife and designer, they deserve the same credit, they are just as broke as I am and just as exhausted and have both put everything into making it the best possible) to bring it back to life.

If all goes well we want to sponsor an IROC style race for the car owners once a year. Just a dream for now but that is my goal.

Also, FYI, I live in SoCal so this was all possible. Access to 3D scanners, tooling, etc... I have amazing friends (my designer worked with Foose, runs Fusion now, our CAD guy does stuff for EVERYONE, glass guy as I said has 700 concept cars under his belt) which made this redneck dream into an OEM quality reality lol.

Sorry for rambling, I just love this car and can't wait to show it to the world

[6LE Designs]

FYI: We even rented a space in Van Nuys, CA to build the car, solely so the car was built in Van Nuys, CA. If that doesn't mean something to you then I clearly care more about the IROC-Z then you