[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by newmoon

How is 11:50s faster than 11:00s?

https://www.cars.com/articles/challe...1420680529178/

Look at the article for an apples to apples comparison.

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

Look at the article for an apples to apples comparison.

What did they compare it to?

[2cnd chance]

Originally Posted by Sven59

What did they compare it to?

It shows a Hellcat and others.

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by 2cnd chance

It shows a Hellcat and others.

I thought you were talking about the article you quoted. My bad.

[ron scubadiver]

The automatic transmission is Mensa smart, LOL. They obviously never went to a Mensa meeting.

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by newmoon

How is 11:50s faster than 11:00s?

https://www.cars.com/articles/challe...1420680529178/

Oh look, the typical newmoon cherry picking - my favorite!

Let's compare an ET from a CHARGER sedan at a NHRA drag strip according to "cars.com" against a ZL1 test by Car&Driver at Chelsea Proving Grounds...?

OR

Let's compare the ET from the Challenger coupe tested by Car&Driver at CPG vs the ET from the ZL1 by Car&Driver at CPG...

ZL1: 0-60, 3.4sec; 1/4mile 11.5 @ 125mph; 3933lbs automatic
Hellokitty: 0-60, 3.6sec; 1/4mile 11.7 @ 126mph; 4488lbs automatic

And this is a straight-line. Turn the "vestigial" steering wheel in the Hellokitty and watch the 6th gen ZL1 wave goodbye just like the 5th gen did.

[96MrBass]

Seems like the tipical hellcat humper over and over lol.

[17CamaroZL1]

Originally Posted by BoostedX2

Doesn't GM advertise 11.4? Believe thats true--was hoping for an "under promise/over deliver...which was their philosophy for the 5th gen ZL1....especially with the "vaunted" 10 speed...

http://gmauthority.com/blog/2016/08/...pecs-revealed/

You are correct. GM claims 11.4 on an unprepped surface. Both Motor Trend and Car and Driver have now backed up their claim. Put the car on a sticky track with good air and I believe we are going to see some high 10s. Both the auto and the manual will be tough for a stock Hellcat to beat, equipped with the same tranny. It will basically take someone driving the cat better to beat them, unless it's a roll race, which I've only seen one time on a dragstrip.

[newmoon]

Originally Posted by MEDISIN

Oh look, the typical newmoon cherry picking - my favorite!

Let's compare an ET from a CHARGER sedan at a NHRA drag strip according to "cars.com" against a ZL1 test by Car&Driver at Chelsea Proving Grounds...?

OR

Let's compare the ET from the Challenger coupe tested by Car&Driver at CPG vs the ET from the ZL1 by Car&Driver at CPG...

ZL1: 0-60, 3.4sec; 1/4mile 11.5 @ 125mph; 3933lbs automatic
Hellokitty: 0-60, 3.6sec; 1/4mile 11.7 @ 126mph; 4488lbs automatic

And this is a straight-line. Turn the "vestigial" steering wheel in the Hellokitty and watch the 6th gen ZL1 wave goodbye just like the 5th gen did.

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It seems like this is the same position you took when the 16 CTSV came out that was going to destroy the Hellcat. I'm still waiting for your link to show me where it has bettered this bone stock independent review of the Charger's time, after 2+ years I thought you would have found something.

At this pont when the ZL1 is reviewed and runs better than this time then you can claim it is faster problem is 11:50s is 4-5 tenths slower in the 1/4 and 5-mph slower in top speed. It may do it but not yet.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by ron scubadiver

The automatic transmission is Mensa smart, LOL. They obviously never went to a Mensa meeting.

It sounds pretty brilliant to me...I've heard it said from several different people who had nothing to do with the engineering remark on how it seems to know exactly what you (driver) want to do just before you do it. It's smooth, firm, reactive, and subdued all at the same time.

It's got three completely different shift calibrations, based on driver input, all altered slightly by the selected driving mode...encourages the engine to make extra pleasant sounds and noises than normal...AND manual paddle control if you so desire. All packaged into a box no bigger than their old 6-speeds.

I know I'm not saying anything new...but when you put it all together - damn.

[snackbar64]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

It sounds pretty brilliant to me...I've heard it said from several different people who had nothing to do with the engineering remark on how it seems to know exactly what you (driver) want to do just before you do it. It's smooth, firm, reactive, and subdued all at the same time.

It's got three completely different shift calibrations, based on driver input, all altered slightly by the selected driving mode...encourages the engine to make extra pleasant sounds and noises than normal...AND manual paddle control if you so desire. All packaged into a box no bigger than their old 6-speeds.

I know I'm not saying anything new...but when you put it all together - damn.

I'm with you and can't wait to experience everything you speak of very, very soon. TPW 2/27/17

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by snackbar64

I'm with you and can't wait to experience everything you speak of very, very soon. TPW 2/27/17

Me, too!!

Race you to the rollers at the end of the line....

[HyperBlueX2]

May the lowest VIN win!!!

[MEDISIN]

Originally Posted by newmoon

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It seems like this is the same position you took when the 16 CTSV came out that was going to destroy the Hellcat. I'm still waiting for your link to show me where it has bettered this bone stock independent review of the Charger's time, after 2+ years I thought you would have found something.

At this pont when the ZL1 is reviewed and runs better than this time then you can claim it is faster problem is 11:50s is 4-5 tenths slower in the 1/4 and 5-mph slower in top speed. It may do it but not yet.

So you admit the above comparison was bogus apples to oranges and now you change your tune to CTS-V vs Charger? Hahhahhahahaa okay let's go there.

Drivers race from a dig.

Road&Track
CTS-V: 0-60, 3.5, 11.6 1/4mile at 126.1mph, 4128lbs
Hellcat: 0-60, 3.8sec; 1/4mile 11.9 @ 123.1mph; 4583lbs

MotorTrend
Hellcat: 0-60, 3.7sec; 1/4mile 11.8 @ 124.3mph; 4562lbs
CTS-V: 0-60, 3.8, 11.9 1/4mile at 122.0mph, 4128lbs
Hellcat: 0-60, 3.8sec; 1/4mile 11.9 @ 122.8mph; 4530lbs
Hellcat: 0-60, 4.2sec; 1/4mile 12.1 @ 123.4mph; 4530lbs

Car&Driver
Hellcat: 0-60, 3.4sec; 1/4mile 11.4 @ 128.0mph; 4592lbs
CTS-V: 0-60 in 3.6, 11.8 1/4mile at 124.0mph, 4129lbs


In standardized testing the cars are rather similar from a dig aside from the outstanding run by C&D in November air. Regarding that run, the first remark Colwell made about launching the Fatcat: "what a pain in the ass to launch". How many launches do I have to do to get an 11.4?

From a roll, 707hp Charger every time.

On a track, no comparison. Both cars made an appearance at Lightning Lap last summer. Want to guess how that turned out?

Lightning Lap 2016
2016 Cadillac CTS-V: 2:56.8
2016 Dodge Charger SRT Hellcat: 3:03.5

Que the newmoon excuses: but, but, but the Charger is cheaper and people only roll race and people are running 10's with only a tire swap...did I miss anything?