[revo1059]

The problem with GM is they're more politically correct where customers are concerned, or at least that's the impression I get. They likely won't add HP to the ZL1 because it would piss off the Vette owners who have Z06s. You should have seen the uproar from the Viper owners when the Hellcat came out with gobs more power then the Viper. Dodge just didn't care and did it. GM could learn something there.

There have been several whiners in the Z06 forums as well. Hell they even whine about the GS being "as good of a car" in one of the magazines. That thread went pages and pages.

[detltu]

Originally Posted by 396ssrat

The Zl1 is geared for going in circles and does a pretty good job of that given it's msrp. No doubt they could up the power but I'm not sure they will. At this point in the game, the 1/4 mile seems rather endangered. Drag Racing has become very cost prohibitive for our young adults (18-25 yr old's). The new factory hot rods are pretty expensive no matter the brand.
Chevy has a history of following the leader on a drag srip and mopar seems to be the leader. On occasion Chevy slips in a ringer but they are far and few between. Perhaps they think the copo is enough.

Originally Posted by newmoon

I am curious why you state the above? Most strips have local street nights which cost as little as $20.00. In fact compared to track racing which could be well over $1,000.00 drag racing is an extreme bargain. If you want to explore your and your car's ability the strip is by far your best venue and the venue where you will find the most ZL1s in attendance.

Yeah, drag racing is by far my least favorite form of racing, but it is also by far the most accessible form of racing. There are tons more drag strips than there are road courses or autocross clubs. Its significantly cheaper than even the cheapest track day and even undercuts autocross on cost in every instance I've ever been a part of (although Autocross is pretty close for price). I have been impressed at how many Zl1s I have seen at the road courses.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by hotlap

Chevy knew this in 2014 and appears satisfied to position itself with a 11.4 sec drag, 7:29.60 Nurburgring type car in the ZL1

Originally Posted by 506JTF

Are you saying 5th Gen ZL1 drag times? 11.4 must be a stock automatic hero run if so...

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showthread.php?t=21013

11.5 is the best stock run on the fast list. Really seem to be high 11's on average.

I meant that in 2014, Chevy knew what the Hellcat and GT500 were capable of in 1/4 performance. The LT4 was already in production and they had a pretty good idea what the 17 ZL1 would weigh. So in 2014, Chevy knew the 17 ZL1 would, at best, match the 1/4 time of the HC and old GT500 (Chevy rates the ZL1 at 11.4 sec). They were satisfied with that speed combined with its track performance as demonstrated in its 7:29.60 Nurburgring time.

Sorry for being unclear. Was a quick reply.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Speedy1975

I do agree 100% with your last sentence. IMO, the Camaro hasn't been a muscle car in it's latest iterations. It's a sport car with a V8 engine. Completely different thing in my mind.

AGREED!!

[KLR ZL1]

Here is a thought. Since the 6G ZL1 has been out for some months now and Ford and Dodge know what it is capable of. WHO IS BEHIND? The others are always trying to one up each other. The Demon is still built on a 10+ year old chassis and has been stated that it is for straight line performance. To me why waste the funds to build this vehicle instead of something on a new platform. As far as the GT500 or whatever it will be called, it won't be out for awhile. Probably going to have a TTV6 anyways. They already put it in the GT supercar and Raptor. So what is the point comparing something that we know nothing about. Just like all the videos on UTUBE of the speculation of what the demon will be. Let's just wait for real information and then talk about it.

[laynlo15]

I think we are way ahead of our selves, only 2 zl1's have been down the track stock. Neither has gotten into the 11's yet. Lets see what the A10 does. If you look at the fast list there have been a bunch of A8 SS 16's that have broken into the 11's on good track with decent air temps. Many have been 11.80s or faster with minimal mods as mine is with just CAI and drag pack (slicks and skinnies). I think the MPH on the Zl1's that have run are not pulling on the big end as they should, can't put my finger on it but with basically 550 at the wheels they should be running at least 126 as the SC SS has done with just a Maggie and drag radials.

[laynlo15]

Honestly the best bang for the buck is to buy a 1 SS and spend 8K on a Magnuson 2300, strap on a set of drag radials and run high 10's first time out. You'll outrun the HC, Stangs and most of the Z06's unless they are A8's. No you won't have a Zl1 but you'll only be in at about 48k and killin most all the rides listed including the Zl1. If I was younger by like 10 years I'd still buy a Zl1 because I could. I'm old so I'm sticking to my 1ss with a Maggie. Its awesome that the guys are buying them up like hot cakes, we just need the A10 to come out and show some skin in the game.

[Artos]

Thanks for posting this...whole heartedly agree.

If HP/acceleration is all that matters to you, then the ZL1 is not your car and you need to buy a Dodge...the fact GM focused on the road course with this new Camaro is why I'm buying one. The fact every Ford dealer is charging an ADM for the 350R cost them a sale. I would be having buyers remorse right now if they hadn't however. I was shopping for one when I found out about the 17 ZL1 & refused to pay a penny over sticker. Every Ford general manager snickered at me.

Behind the 8, I think not...I'll take my scratch & wait to sink the Nightfall Grey into the side pocket in a few months. Just don't tell me I got a slower car because handling means nothing to the narrow minded.

Originally Posted by DDP98

My take on this: HP wars and speculation and response to what your rivals release is nothing new and will never change.

With that being said, I believe the ZL1 to be a shift in paradigm. No longer is it enough to just produce a car with straight line prowess. People want cars that are light, stiff, capable yet comfortable when need be. I personally believe the ZL1 was not aimed at the Mustang or the Challenger, but rather the European sports cars. I want a car that excels everywhere and guess what, from what I have seen so far the new Gen6 does just that. I doubt it would have won car of the year if it didn't.

I know many will disagree with me and again, this is just my opinion. If your desire is to rule the drag strip then the new Demon might just be what you're looking for. We have yet to see if the next GT500 will follow the direction of the ZL1, or continue to be a straight line missile.

The muscle car is not dead for those die hard muscle car enthusiasts. Its just the ZL1 is no longer solely a muscle car.

For an all around sports car made in America and on par with or has superseded the traditional leaders from Europe, the ZL1 is undeniable.

[17CamaroZL1]

Originally Posted by KLR ZL1

Here is a thought. Since the 6G ZL1 has been out for some months now and Ford and Dodge know what it is capable of. WHO IS BEHIND? The others are always trying to one up each other. The Demon is still built on a 10+ year old chassis and has been stated that it is for straight line performance. To me why waste the funds to build this vehicle instead of something on a new platform. As far as the GT500 or whatever it will be called, it won't be out for awhile. Probably going to have a TTV6 anyways. They already put it in the GT supercar and Raptor. So what is the point comparing something that we know nothing about. Just like all the videos on UTUBE of the speculation of what the demon will be. Let's just wait for real information and then talk about it.

That's what I was saying. At the moment, the ZL1 is ahead! Not only will it likely run just as fast or faster than any stock HC or GT500 out right now at the dragstrip, but it'll out handle them any day of the week........by a large margin.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by 17CamaroZL1

That's what I was saying. At the moment, the ZL1 is ahead! Not only will it likely run just as fast or faster than any stock HC or GT500 out right now at the dragstrip, but it'll out handle them any day of the week........by a large margin.

And now, the obligatory YouTube link....

Forget the track for a moment...and just listen to this thing. Watch at how controlled the driver is, and how "easy" the car appears to be to drive at the speeds he's reaching. What a lot of people don't appreciate...maybe due to lack of experience/opportunity...is what it means to have a perfectly-calibrated, wonderfully-balanced car where the driveline, braking, suspension, and tire systems all compliment each other VS hp figures and headlines on a piece of paper. This thing will be a joy to drive on track...and then you can go home without so much as changing a screw in Chevy-luxury.

[cwebster]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

And now, the obligatory YouTube link....

Forget the track for a moment...and just listen to this thing. Watch at how controlled the driver is, and how "easy" the car appears to be to drive at the speeds he's reaching. What a lot of people don't appreciate...maybe due to lack of experience/opportunity...is what it means to have a perfectly-calibrated, wonderfully-balanced car where the driveline, braking, suspension, and tire systems all compliment each other VS hp figures and headlines on a piece of paper. This thing will be a joy to drive on track...and then you can go home without so much as changing a screw in Chevy-luxury.

I never get tired of watching videos like this. No question that A10 is going to be faster then the M6. Still, I'd like to see a video of a pro driver taking the M6 around the 'ring.

--Cal

[Sven59]

Originally Posted by cwebster

I never get tired of watching videos like this. No question that A10 is going to be faster then the M6. Still, I'd like to see a video of a pro driver taking the M6 around the 'ring.

--Cal

I bet they did, I am sure they wanted a comparison but we will probably never see it.

[Speedy1975]

Originally Posted by Artos

Thanks for posting this...whole heartedly agree.

The fact every Ford dealer is charging an ADM for the 350R cost them a sale. I would be having buyers remorse right now if they hadn't however. I was shopping for one when I found out about the 17 ZL1 & refused to pay a penny over sticker. Every Ford general manager snickered at me.

Haha, I crack up at the ADM. My buddy paid $15K over sticker for his.

Now they're popping up on Carmax. NEVER pay ADM!

https://www.carmax.com/car/12033640

[396ssrat]

Originally Posted by detltu

Yeah, drag racing is by far my least favorite form of racing, but it is also by far the most accessible form of racing. There are tons more drag strips than there are road courses or autocross clubs. Its significantly cheaper than even the cheapest track day and even undercuts autocross on cost in every instance I've ever been a part of (although Autocross is pretty close for price). I have been impressed at how many Zl1s I have seen at the road courses.

And I have been unimpressed on the poor performance I have seen by Zl1's on the drag strip. 99.9% of them are just plain mediocre. They belong on a road course for that reason.