[BradfordCamaro]

Big claims from Cold Air. I'll wait for a bunch to hit the market and see what happens.
GM knew more air would add that much power and didn't do it themselves?? I am guessing theirs os just as good or better if it comes with a tune.
Bigger filter and a tube, not many ways to make it differently.

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Sledgehammer70

Or it is a dealership purchase only and they do the install and tune.

Originally Posted by SSport16

Good question...possibly. Would love to do it myself then bring it in for the tune, guess we will have to wait and see. Should know something soon.

Originally Posted by Tr6

I really hope not... Wouldn't surprise me though.

Paying someone to install the intake would really depress me... I am with you as would love to just do it myself in 10 minutes and then drive to the dealership so they flash the tune.

With the LS3 Power Upgrade kit we put on my car, you brought your instruction manual to the dealer, and it had set of codes and instructions on the front to confirm you purchased the part. They aligned these codes to your VIN for the record, downloaded a tune from GM technical assistance, and flashed the ECU.

That said...my local dealer is a putz, and told me they weren't comfortable reflashing a car they didn't do the work on. I imagine an intake would look less intimidating to them than a heads and cam swap....but nevertheless...it's all sanctioned by GM performance, and that was how the tune was handled.

I imagine it'll be the same sort of deal with this intake.

By the way - the Z/28 performance intake for the 5th gen is awesome, I imagine this one will be the same!

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by BradfordCamaro

GM knew more air would add that much power and didn't do it themselves??

Could be a number of reasons. Maybe the intake didn't pass their notoriously difficult water ingestion testing (they damn near make a car swim), and this intake might come with an "offroad use only" sticker?

It could be a Corvette "protection thing"...so the factory power number for Camaro doesn't exceed that of the Corvette with the same engine?

It could be a $$ thing...why put it on there when such an easy and familiar performance mod could be sold separately?

All guesses...but I'm sure the intake will add power, especially if it comes with a tune.

[vtirocz]

Originally Posted by Tr6

400 bucks is a fantastic price for an intake especially when you think about the gains. You gain as much as a headers upgrade which costs 1200 bucks at least and WITHOUT installed! Intake install = free even if you blindfold yourself to install it because it is THAT easy, compared to headers... Buck per power and efficiency increase is fantastic. Intake could've easily been 500+. Another thing to keep in mind is to see some real world applications and dyno results from customers. We have seen that X Y Z part gave 5 times the power vs a customer testing it. But at least with C.A.I we know that it will be damn efficient which is why we grab an intake haha.

Now that intakes will be coming out... I really need to find me a stock set of tri-y headers so I can get em ported and coated. Intake and ported & coated headers, borla xpipe are what is left for my max efficiency under factory warranty build. Got ported TB and ported IM already. In other worlds, my base build for procharging in the future will be done



WIN!

Efficiency increase? I doubt it.

[TSloper]

Originally Posted by BradfordCamaro

Big claims from Cold Air. I'll wait for a bunch to hit the market and see what happens.
GM knew more air would add that much power and didn't do it themselves?? I am guessing theirs os just as good or better if it comes with a tune.
Bigger filter and a tube, not many ways to make it differently.

The dyno graph for the CAI on SuperChevy is bothering me. It is gaining significantly in the lower RPMs yet when you look at the MAP on a stock car the pressure drop is minimal in those ranges. So the stock intake can flow enough air to make 455 HP stock but it's starving below 3500 RPMs making half the HP? I am having a hard time contributing these gains purely to improved flow capability of the intake tract. I can't wait to see the before/after ECM logs to differentiate between airflow gains and MAF error.

[Tr6]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

With the LS3 Power Upgrade kit we put on my car, you brought your instruction manual to the dealer, and it had set of codes and instructions on the front to confirm you purchased the part. They aligned these codes to your VIN for the record, downloaded a tune from GM technical assistance, and flashed the ECU.

That said...my local dealer is a putz, and told me they weren't comfortable reflashing a car they didn't do the work on. I imagine an intake would look less intimidating to them than a heads and cam swap....but nevertheless...it's all sanctioned by GM performance, and that was how the tune was handled.

I imagine it'll be the same sort of deal with this intake.

By the way - the Z/28 performance intake for the 5th gen is awesome, I imagine this one will be the same!

Thank you for the insight and that is exactly how they will do it then!

Originally Posted by vtirocz

Efficiency increase? I doubt it.

Already said it was 17% increase over stock (350gr per second).

[SSport16]

Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

With the LS3 Power Upgrade kit we put on my car, you brought your instruction manual to the dealer, and it had set of codes and instructions on the front to confirm you purchased the part. They aligned these codes to your VIN for the record, downloaded a tune from GM technical assistance, and flashed the ECU.

That said...my local dealer is a putz, and told me they weren't comfortable reflashing a car they didn't do the work on. I imagine an intake would look less intimidating to them than a heads and cam swap....but nevertheless...it's all sanctioned by GM performance, and that was how the tune was handled.

I imagine it'll be the same sort of deal with this intake.

By the way - the Z/28 performance intake for the 5th gen is awesome, I imagine this one will be the same!

Cool...thanks for the info!

[DWALEX]

Originally Posted by SSport16

Well I don't want them touching my car! I am tired of scratches, greasy prints all over my cars and the lack of caring these service people have. I hope GM makes this intake available for anyone to buy/install and then bring it in for the tune.

+1

[6spdhyperblue]

Originally Posted by Sledgehammer70

We have a lot of options incoming from GM Performance, CAI, Mishimoto, Rotofab and a few others in regards to shiny new Cold Air Intakes.

We know they will add power, we know they make the engine compartment look better, but is the power and looks enough to get you to part ways with $400 -$600?

GM claims they will offer a tune... what will that tune do, will the GM version perform better than the CAI version? (which are the same).

Here is my thoughts:


I would love to know what everyone else is thinking.

Did you data-log MAF, vacuum, 02s, etc during your dyno runs when you cracked open your intake box?

How do you know it didn't change the air flow across the MAF and leaned out enough to take credit for a good percentage of the increased hp you saw?

Just curious because it wasn't mentioned.

[6spdhyperblue]

Originally Posted by vtirocz View Post
Efficiency increase? I doubt it.

Originally Posted by Tr6

Thank you for the insight and that is exactly how they will do it then!



Already said it was 17% increase over stock (350gr per second).

I believe that is flow rate. I don't think that can be defined as efficiency right?

[Mr. Wyndham]

Originally Posted by Nicul15

I believe that is flow rate. I don't think that can be defined as efficiency right?

Better to just qualify what each is talking about, if I might chime in...

It is more efficient at moving air...but it is probably not more fuel efficient...although, some people claim their cold air intakes improve their fuel economy...

[Nataphen]

Hot air intakes improve fuel economy. Cold air intakes improve power output. People who say CAIs increase the fuel economy are just trying really hard to justify their purchase, or the stock unit has to be stupidly inefficient, which no modern car has an issue with.

[vtirocz]

Originally Posted by TSloper

The dyno graph for the CAI on SuperChevy is bothering me. It is gaining significantly in the lower RPMs yet when you look at the MAP on a stock car the pressure drop is minimal in those ranges. So the stock intake can flow enough air to make 455 HP stock but it's starving below 3500 RPMs making half the HP? I am having a hard time contributing these gains purely to improved flow capability of the intake tract. I can't wait to see the before/after ECM logs to differentiate between airflow gains and MAF error.

I was thinking the same thing! I'm not buying that level of increase, especially at low engine speeds / lower air flows. The inlet and outlet on the stock airbox are HUGE, so I don't think the stock one leave a lot on the table.

[cellsafemode]

I'll spend 40 bucks to replace the paper filter with a higher flowing dry synthetic. I've already got the coldest cold air intake you can get without helping it with dry ice / methanol / water injection

though it's a v6 setup basically slightly smaller version of the v8's intake anyway.