01-10-2024, 02:52 PM | #29 | |
Drives: 2023 Chevrolet Camaro 2SS 1LE Join Date: Jan 2020
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But for the most part I agree, people should stop buying cars unless they need them until manufacturers and dealers provide us good deals again. I see no reason why someone needs to upgrade from a 2020 Silverado with 45k on it to a 2024 Silverado for literally 20k more. If people stopped buying cars (that don’t need them) for like 3 months dealers will go back to giving us thousands off msrp again. Unfortunately that won’t happen because people “have to have it now”. Been waiting 3 years for the used car market to crash and it finally has. Now I will pick up a new daily driver this year finally. I wanted a new used daily for the last couple years but because my daily was still working I saw no reason to pay the inflated prices.
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01-11-2024, 07:20 PM | #30 | |
Drives: Camaro SS Join Date: Aug 2023
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01-11-2024, 07:40 PM | #31 |
Drives: Chevrolet Blazer Join Date: Oct 2021
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I grew up in the 70s and dreamed of owning a muscle car (Z28 to be exact). Finally got one at 60 and I am very glad to have her. Super fun to drive, and drop dead gorgeous looking too! GM really put together an outstanding vehicle. However, I wished they gave more thought into anti-theft. Aside from that, the car is near perfection. I plan to keep mine forever.
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01-13-2024, 05:55 AM | #32 | |
Hail to the King baby!
Drives: '19 XT4 2.0T & '22 VW Atlas 2.0T Join Date: Dec 2008
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And you don’t quite understand how profit works. Yes the tooling is paid for at this point, generally that happens a year and a half or two years after launch so it’s been paid for for years. What you are missing is each car has to pay its share of the companies cost to run. And not just the plant where it is built. It has a budgeted amount to cover the tech center, proving grounds, health care for the workers, pensions and the big one, salaries. There is just a lot more to being profitable than the labor, parts cost and selling price. I remember working on. Pontiac G6 replacement in the earliest phase of the program. The car started out with a $3,000 bill just for its share of legacy costs. That was before any tools or engineering. And even IF iCamaro was scraping out a profit, ultimately you have to ask if the resources still working on Camaro could be utilized on some the even more profitable.
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01-13-2024, 07:38 PM | #33 |
Drives: 22 ZL1 23 1SS Redline Join Date: May 2022
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I told GM on feedback from my 23 buy they made a big mistake killing the ice Camaro and that I would never sell it. I knew it wouldn’t matter but wanted them to know I wouldn’t be buying their EV crap either
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01-13-2024, 11:22 PM | #34 |
Drives: 2021 Camaro 2SS Convertible Join Date: Mar 2021
Location: Delaware
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Same here. I’m 70 and have owned a few muscle cars since my first one, a new 1971Nova SS350. My 2021 SS is by far the best I have driven.
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