05-04-2013, 07:27 PM | #29 |
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I fail to see how you are seeing a contradiction in what I stated even with the bolding. A naturally aspirated V8 making similar HP as the TT V6 is clearly the better choice if not just for the sound alone.
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You said they had similar power, and in the very next sentence you said the Camaro needs the power of a V8. You don't see that as a contradiction?
Also, if you've every had a turbo vehichle then you know you are just one tune away for lots more power. So, if they start out at similar power, then you will get more power per mod buck for the turbo engine. Finally, when did you even mention sound? V8 sound and a couple of bucks will get you a cup off coffee at Starbucks. You can enjoy that as you watch the tuned TT's tail light disapear into the distance.
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And I was simply stating that the sound factor is just a small reason why a V8 suits a Camaro better or any muscle car for that matter. I've heard plenty of turbocharged V6 Camaros and the sound is like a lawnmower on roids. Not desirable whatsoever. If I didn't know better I would say you were a V6 owner? Bottom line, GM will never produce a Camaro with that setup, period. Sent using Tapatalk on my Note 2. |
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Oooh, I wanna play!
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Yea what he said. Its to close to V8 power so it would reduce sales. That said i think it would be cool to see a factory TT V6 under the hood. Maybe they can offer the TT V6 and up the V8 power to 500+ HP maybe LS7 standard. Even though the V6 in mine is awsome we cant have a Camaro lineup without a V8 trying to escape out of the hood.
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Camaros are inanimate objects, so I don't know if anything benefits them. However, it benefits GM by increasing sales of Camaros. If Ford goes global with an Ecoboost V6 Mustang (there are some rumors to that affect), then it will HURT Camaro sales if they don't have a product that will match performance and not get penalized with extra taxes.
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It's really funny when people resort to the "he got his feelings hurt" line, guess it's just a last attempt at making oneself feel better. My feelings never got hurt sorry to disappoint you. And I'm not going to keep trying to make you understand what I was saying in my original post. If you can't figure it out then oh well not my problem. As for the sound issue you keep bringing up over and over, I never said that was the main reason I or anyone for that matter buys a V8 over a V6 I merely said it's one SMALL reason as my posts clearly says. Obviously our tastes differ which is fine, but there's no need to beat a dead horse over the subject. Sent using Tapatalk on my Note 2. |
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And you are right that it is a personal preference, and not just for sound, but in terms of power delivery and torque curve characteristics as well. And right now, I think more SS and GT buyers (and throw in R/T buyers for completeness) would prefer a V8 to a TTV6. And I think more would refuse to buy over not being able to buy a V8 than would buy because they could get a TTV6. I've also said this before, but I have no problem with offering a TTV6 as long as I can still get a V8, AND as long as they don't raise the price of my V8 to market it. That's why I don't really care about the EcoBoost F-150. (I wouldn't buy it, but I'm not calling for Ford to drop the option, either). The V8 is still offered at the same price point, and those who want the EcoBoost can pay the extra $900 for it. It doesn't affect me. The reason I oppose the possibility of a TTV6 Camaro (or Mustang for that matter) is I fear they won't go about it that same way. All the talk and speculation and specs on known TTV6s suggest it would be under the V8 in the hierarchy, which in my mind is a red flag that not only will the TTV6 be more expensive to buy than the current V8, but any V8 option will end up being priced even about that.
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I certainly hope that V-6 improvements and technology advances are going to be the wave of the future...
IMO, I think we tend to forget the current love affair with these V-8 supposed "muscle-cars" is a phenomenon that I don't think anybody expected to last as long as it has...But the V-8 engine, and all that goes with it, is not the wave of the future, unfortunately...Whatever all this European engine business is all about, it is firmly entrenched in the US already...The big V-8 is the exception, not the rule... The variety of available V-8 series engines that GM has been or currently is making, is getting smaller and smaller....The amount of technology and research that was necessary to put into the up-coming LT-1 V-8s is astounding....I think the day will come when what they can do and are willing to do with the V-8 will be here much sooner than later... ....The V-6 will for sure become a performance engine of choice. I would much rather see that, than see the internal-combustion gasoline engine go away altogether.... |
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