CORRECTION: 2019 SS to Come With 10 Speed Auto - Page 3

ac-427 · 02-14-2018, 06:41 AM

10 Speeds, WOW! My 8 speed is all of sudden out of date! Wait, I've got a plan! I'm gonna stick a Gear Vendors overdrive on my 18 SS Vert and I'll have a 16 speed. LOL

01pewterz28 · 02-14-2018, 06:44 AM

A10 would be sweet but not worth it for me.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 02-14-2018, 07:45 AM

I assumed this was the reality...didn't know where than M7 stuff came from.

Bhobbs · 02-14-2018, 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

I assumed this was the reality...didn't know where than M7 stuff came from.

A previous CARB card showed the M7 under the Camaro.

*Mr. Wyndham* · 02-14-2018, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Bhobbs

A previous CARB card showed the M7 under the Camaro.

Oh, I know that. What I meant was - it didn't make any sense to me...choosing the M6 for lower cost or intended application, sure that would make sense to see a change, now...but I distinctly remember one of the engineers saying the M7 didn't fit. Of all the excuses, that one isn't easily back-peddled.

So I wasn't a believer of the last CARB certificate.

Norm Peterson · 02-14-2018, 09:33 AM

There are internal differences that make the A10 more efficient than the A8 that are not directly related to the number of forward gears present. Something about brakes A and B being 'nested', and possibly some differences involving fluid flow out of brake B. I happen to have a couple of write-ups on this transmission.

I don't think you'd be doing all that much more paddle-shifting but I could put up an A10 vs A8 comparison plot if you can give me an approximate normal shift rpm, rear tire size, and axle ratio (I'll assume the last two will remain the same unless known to be different). Offhand, I see using 3rd through 6th where you'd currently be using 3rd through 5th and an upshift to 10th where there is no upshift from 8th in the A8 being where you'd notice anything at all being different.

Norm

*Mr. Wyndham* · 02-14-2018, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Norm Peterson

There are internal differences that make the A10 more efficient than the A8 that are not directly related to the number of forward gears present. Something about brakes A and B being 'nested', and possibly some differences involving fluid flow out of brake B. I happen to have a couple of write-ups on this transmission.

I don't think you'd be doing all that much more paddle-shifting but I could put up an A10 vs A8 comparison plot if you can give me an approximate normal shift rpm, rear tire size, and axle ratio (I'll assume the last two will remain the same unless known to be different). Offhand, I see using 3rd through 6th where you'd currently be using 3rd through 5th and an upshift to 10th where there is no upshift from 8th in the A8 being where you'd notice anything at all being different.

Norm

Norm, can you PM me a good email address? I've done all that data already, I can email a spreadsheet for you to use and modify.

fastball · 02-14-2018, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by ac-427

10 Speeds, WOW! My 8 speed is all of sudden out of date! Wait, I've got a plan! I'm gonna stick a Gear Vendors overdrive on my 18 SS Vert and I'll have a 16 speed. LOL

Now you're talking baby! Put an Eaton-Fuller 18 speed overdrive in that puppy!

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ac-427 · 02-14-2018, 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by fastball

Now you're talking baby! Put an Eaton-Fuller 18 speed overdrive in that puppy!

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LOL😂

WhyUMad1LE · 02-14-2018, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ModdedSS

I'm going to be thinking long and hard about trading in my car for an A10 depending on how the refresh looks. I do more drag racing than road course racing, and being a daily I think it'll be better for me. And I haven't heard hardly any issues with the A10, while the A8 people are having tons of issues. Hopefully there's a bright new color option too

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Originally Posted by mcintyre1969

All transmission will be the same color.

Norm Peterson · 02-14-2018, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Wyndham

Norm, can you PM me a good email address? I've done all that data already, I can email a spreadsheet for you to use and modify.

PM sent.

Norm

Norm Peterson · 02-14-2018, 12:13 PM

Here's what I've got so far. 285/35-20 tires and 3.45 axle ratio assumed, 3500 and 5750 rpms highlighted. Actually, I staggered the axle ratios just a little either side of 3.45 (3.46 vs 3.44) so that most of the traces wouldn't fall exactly on top of each other.

And showing the rpm drops from 4200 rpm (I could have picked any rpm but this one fit the speed scale).

Norm

WEAPON-X · 02-14-2018, 12:37 PM

Having both the 8 speed and the 10 speed, I can tell you guys that even a tuned 8 speed hardly holds a candle to the stock 10 speed. The ripping shifts in stock form are just amazing!

Don't mind my tuner's excitement lol

KMPrenger · 02-14-2018, 12:50 PM

Completely expected this...glad to see we finally have some decent "proof" of it at this point.

Ya know, when the A8 is working well, I love it. I think its awesome. Its smart, and quick and under WOT its blast. But there is no doubt it (across all platforms its used in) is plagued with TC issues. I've experienced the shudder once myself. It was quite un-nerving and un-mistakable once you are aware of it.

So far, the A10 seems to be good, but it hasn't been used nearly as widely yet as the A8.

I wonder what it will do for performance? I'm going to guess maybe a tenth for 60 and one or two tenths in the 1/4 mile. The Camaro weight and TQ advantage should be just enough to keep it ahead of the refreshed Mustang and its top end power.

02-14-2018, 06:41 AM	#29
ac-427 Drives: 2018 Camaro 2SS Redline Convertible Join Date: May 2016 Location: DFW Posts: 168	10 Speeds, WOW! My 8 speed is all of sudden out of date! Wait, I've got a plan! I'm gonna stick a Gear Vendors overdrive on my 18 SS Vert and I'll have a 16 speed. LOL __________________ 2019 Buick TourX 2017 Colorado Redline 1966 Ford Mustang Pro Touring

02-14-2018, 06:44 AM	#30
01pewterz28 #TeamBeckyD Drives: 2017 HBM 2SS Convertible A8 Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Apopka, FL Posts: 10,496 View My Garage	A10 would be sweet but not worth it for me. __________________ #TeamBeckyD FIFTY HBM 2SS VERT

02-14-2018, 07:45 AM	#31
Mr. Wyndham I used to be Dragoneye... Drives: 2018 ZL1 1LE Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Buffalo, NY Posts: 31,877 View My Garage	I assumed this was the reality...didn't know where than M7 stuff came from. __________________ *"Keep the faith."* - Fbodfather

02-14-2018, 09:33 AM	#34
Norm Peterson corner barstool sitter Drives: 08 Mustang GT, 19 WRX Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Eastern Time Zone Posts: 6,990	There are internal differences that make the A10 more efficient than the A8 that are not directly related to the number of forward gears present. Something about brakes A and B being 'nested', and possibly some differences involving fluid flow out of brake B. I happen to have a couple of write-ups on this transmission. I don't think you'd be doing all that much more paddle-shifting but I could put up an A10 vs A8 comparison plot if you can give me an approximate normal shift rpm, rear tire size, and axle ratio (I'll assume the last two will remain the same unless known to be different). Offhand, I see using 3rd through 6th where you'd currently be using 3rd through 5th and an upshift to 10th where there is no upshift from 8th in the A8 being where you'd notice anything at all being different. Norm __________________ '08 GT coupe 5M (the occasional track toy) '19 WRX 6M (the family sedan . . . seriously)

02-14-2018, 12:13 PM	#40
Norm Peterson corner barstool sitter Drives: 08 Mustang GT, 19 WRX Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: Eastern Time Zone Posts: 6,990	Here's what I've got so far. 285/35-20 tires and 3.45 axle ratio assumed, 3500 and 5750 rpms highlighted. Actually, I staggered the axle ratios just a little either side of 3.45 (3.46 vs 3.44) so that most of the traces wouldn't fall exactly on top of each other. And showing the rpm drops from 4200 rpm (I could have picked any rpm but this one fit the speed scale). Norm __________________ '08 GT coupe 5M (the occasional track toy) '19 WRX 6M (the family sedan . . . seriously)

02-14-2018, 12:50 PM	#42
KMPrenger Drives: 16 Camaro SS, 15 Colorado Join Date: May 2009 Location: Jefferson City, Missouri Posts: 13,957	Completely expected this...glad to see we finally have some decent "proof" of it at this point. Ya know, when the A8 is working well, I love it. I think its awesome. Its smart, and quick and under WOT its blast. But there is no doubt it (across all platforms its used in) is plagued with TC issues. I've experienced the shudder once myself. It was quite un-nerving and un-mistakable once you are aware of it. So far, the A10 seems to be good, but it hasn't been used nearly as widely yet as the A8. I wonder what it will do for performance? I'm going to guess maybe a tenth for 60 and one or two tenths in the 1/4 mile. The Camaro weight and TQ advantage should be just enough to keep it ahead of the refreshed Mustang and its top end power. __________________ 2016 Camaro 1SS - 8-speed - NPP - Black bowties 2010 Camaro 1LT V6 (Sold. I will miss her!)

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