[nvrsatisfied]

Originally Posted by Posaune

Sales have declined for the last two months, not sure where you got your learning at but that is the opposite of climbing.

please show us some evidence of a sales spike since July 1st. Thanks.

Since we are only on the 5th day of the month, I don't have the totals. I'm basing my opinion on the number of members posting their new rides in the forum and the local dealer sales..

[Posaune]

Originally Posted by nvrsatisfied

Since we are only on the 5th day of the month, I don't have the totals. I'm basing my opinion on the number of members posting their new rides in the forum and the local dealer sales..

Then please don't post your opinion as if it is a verifiable fact.

[nvrsatisfied]

Originally Posted by Posaune

Then please don't post your opinion as if it is a verifiable fact.

Please don't tell others what to do. You can look at the other threads from last few months and see the amount of people that jumped on the 0% financing. There are several customers local that were trying to Locate the options they wanted. I know sales increased, but you take it whatever way you want

[Posaune]

Originally Posted by nvrsatisfied

Please don't tell others what to do. You can look at the other threads from last few months and see the amount of people that jumped on the 0% financing. There are several customers local that were trying to Locate the options they wanted. I know sales increased, but you take it whatever way you want

So based on threads from the last few months, people have been taking advantage of the 0% financing that has been available for about two weeks?

None of us know if sales are increasing, decreasing or staying flat.

[nvrsatisfied]

Originally Posted by Posaune

So based on threads from the last few months, people have been taking advantage of the 0% financing that has been available for about two weeks?

None of us know if sales are increasing, decreasing or staying flat.

I guess it's too complicated to explain. The way you would do it is look at the threads for the last 12 weeks of forum members posting new car purchases of the Gen6, compare it with the amount posted in the last two weeks.

My observation is that they are increasing, I'm sticking with that.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by nvrsatisfied

I guess it's too complicated to explain. The way you would do it is look at the threads for the last 12 weeks of forum members posting new car purchases of the Gen6, compare it with the amount posted in the last two weeks.

My observation is that they are increasing, I'm sticking with that.

I will keep an eye on the inventory level of Camaro's at my local dealer. They are a huge dealer, they move a ton of cars. I will see if they move a lot of Camaro's this month.

As of July 6th, they have 44 2016 Camaro's in stock, and 23 2017 Camaro's (5 on the lot the balance in transit.) So 67 Camaro's for July.

[crysalis_01]

Has anyone asked the question: "At what point should we be worried?"

Plenty have voiced their opinion that there is no problem and that this downward "trend" is nothing to be concerned about because obviously GM planned for this. Then there are others already trying to start digging Camaro's 2nd grave.

So this question goes to the prior group; when do we look at sales decreases and begin to worry, 4000/mon, 3000/mon, 2000/mon, etc?

And to the latter group; at what point would you give up the thoughts that Camaro is in real trouble, 5000/mon, 6000/mon, 7000/mon, etc?

[aestil]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

Has anyone asked the question: "At what point should we be worried?"

Plenty have voiced their opinion that there is no problem and that this downward "trend" is nothing to be concerned about because obviously GM planned for this. Then there are others already trying to start digging Camaro's 2nd grave.

So this question goes to the prior group; when do we look at sales decreases and begin to worry, 4000/mon, 3000/mon, 2000/mon, etc?

And to the latter group; at what point would you give up the thoughts that Camaro is in real trouble, 5000/mon, 6000/mon, 7000/mon, etc?

Personally feel like they are OK if they are selling around 50k a year. More for them is better, of course, but only if they aren't having to reduce the selling price to make that happen.

To me it looks like there is a calculated effort to keep the selling price high so that each sale has maximum profit, and that they would rather sell fewer units while making more per unit.

[raptor5244]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

Has anyone asked the question: "At what point should we be worried?"

Plenty have voiced their opinion that there is no problem and that this downward "trend" is nothing to be concerned about because obviously GM planned for this. Then there are others already trying to start digging Camaro's 2nd grave.

So this question goes to the prior group; when do we look at sales decreases and begin to worry, 4000/mon, 3000/mon, 2000/mon, etc?

And to the latter group; at what point would you give up the thoughts that Camaro is in real trouble, 5000/mon, 6000/mon, 7000/mon, etc?

We won't know because we don't know how much it truly costs GM to build this car. It shares a plant that produces other vehicles as well.

Somehow Mazda keeps selling the Miata every year and it sell less than a 1000 per month and it costs $30k or less. Just be happy they are still building these cars.

[Posaune]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

Has anyone asked the question: "At what point should we be worried?"

Plenty have voiced their opinion that there is no problem and that this downward "trend" is nothing to be concerned about because obviously GM planned for this. Then there are others already trying to start digging Camaro's 2nd grave.

So this question goes to the prior group; when do we look at sales decreases and begin to worry, 4000/mon, 3000/mon, 2000/mon, etc?

And to the latter group; at what point would you give up the thoughts that Camaro is in real trouble, 5000/mon, 6000/mon, 7000/mon, etc?

When the Camaro isn't selling 20% to 40% below its monthly average. We are right in the middle of what should be prime Camaro selling months, the peak of which has been May and then there is a downward trend until the end of the year.

[shaffe]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

Has anyone asked the question: "At what point should we be worried?"

Plenty have voiced their opinion that there is no problem and that this downward "trend" is nothing to be concerned about because obviously GM planned for this. Then there are others already trying to start digging Camaro's 2nd grave.

So this question goes to the prior group; when do we look at sales decreases and begin to worry, 4000/mon, 3000/mon, 2000/mon, etc?

And to the latter group; at what point would you give up the thoughts that Camaro is in real trouble, 5000/mon, 6000/mon, 7000/mon, etc?

Posaune has the right idea.

Originally Posted by Posaune

When the Camaro isn't selling 20% to 40% below its monthly average. We are right in the middle of what should be prime Camaro selling months, the peak of which has been May and then there is a downward trend until the end of the year.

Originally Posted by raptor5244

We won't know because we don't know how much it truly costs GM to build this car. It shares a plant that produces other vehicles as well.

Somehow Mazda keeps selling the Miata every year and it sell less than a 1000 per month and it costs $30k or less. Just be happy they are still building these cars.

The Miata is also a super low volume car though.

[aestil]

Originally Posted by Posaune

When the Camaro isn't selling 20% to 40% below its monthly average. We are right in the middle of what should be prime Camaro selling months, the peak of which has been May and then there is a downward trend until the end of the year.

How much money was on the hood of the car back then versus now?

Without understanding the profit structure of this car it's impossible to know if it's a faliure from GMs standpoint.

If they used to say... make $2k net on each sale for the previous generation, but this generation they make $3k net on each sale, then selling 8k units of last gen car is about the same as selling 5k units of this gen.

It could also be a complete panicBasket time over at GM where they were expecting to sell as many units as the last gen and the sky is falling in on them.

We just don't know and everything is a guess.

I will say that from their messaging and how they are not aggressively incentivizing these cars to sell very much [0% financing on the few remaining MY16s while the MY17s are hitting lots doesn't seem overly aggressive to me]. It appears to me that they intentionally made this car more expensive than it had been in the past, more expensive than its competition, and then they also see to be fine letting it sell however many units it's going to sell without significant incentives.

From that it seems reasonable to infer that SO FAR everything is going according to plan. That may not be correct but I'd say there is less evidence to support the idea that Camaro Armageddon is upon us, than there is that everything is fine and going according to plan.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by crysalis_01

Has anyone asked the question: "At what point should we be worried?"

Plenty have voiced their opinion that there is no problem and that this downward "trend" is nothing to be concerned about because obviously GM planned for this. Then there are others already trying to start digging Camaro's 2nd grave.

So this question goes to the prior group; when do we look at sales decreases and begin to worry, 4000/mon, 3000/mon, 2000/mon, etc?

And to the latter group; at what point would you give up the thoughts that Camaro is in real trouble, 5000/mon, 6000/mon, 7000/mon, etc?

My view is that the total segment volume is more important than the current Camaro sales. If the pie is large and Chevy isn't getting the share they want, adjustments can be made. If the segment is shrinking due to changes in demographic they will walk.

Number3 always speaks of a great coupe but I feel that by design, none of the three pony cars really are. Would a 4 series/CTS type Chevy coupe find a more interest? I had no problem buying a GTO in 2004. I want affordable, V8 RWD coupe. Cost of the current 2SS isn't an issue to me

[2SSRS@Gen5diy]

IMO GM needs to fix the car, there is lots of bad fit and finish on the GEN6 car, putting your head in the sand will only last so long, flame suit on, go for it, and so you know we own 2 gen6 cars and have 2 more in mind, but when a car is not up to snuf its not up to it.....

On top of that GM is not doing any PR for the car, there is no sense of family and friend's about this car, We remember when back in 2009 any where we went people went nuts to see the 5th gen, with this car there is non of that, word of mouth will out sale any payed for advertising, this car does not have the same pull as the last.