Will there be a GT350 answer at launch? - Page 29

IOMike · 08-05-2015, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by NASTY99Z28

Don't need to agree history speaks for itself. Hell 97-02 3.8 v6s could give a nonpi 4.6 all it could handle stock for stock. The lt1 beat it and the ls1 gapped it. The ls1 cars even handled that stang while it was out of production. It wasn't until the 5.0 that the mustang was ahead in gt form since 1992. I'm not bashing the mustang because I love them i just know the truth. Now the gt has had the ss's number since 2011 but that should change come late fall early winter. Track wise I don't think Chevy will offer anything other than a vette that can walk with a gt350/r. That thing is on a whole other level.

How do we know the gt350r is faster than the z/28, because Ford said so?

Sorry but they haven't had a very good track record of being honest, especially to their Mustang fans.

hotlap · 08-05-2015, 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

"If the 8-second time limit is exceeded, maximum
engine rpm is reduced to 6250 until both of the
following occur:
– Engine is operated for at least 15 seconds below
6000 rpm
– Engine rpm falls below 5000"

That seems troubling . It just doesn't make sense for this to be the case all the time and not just during warm-up. We'll find out more soon I guess.

I agree. Completely understandable the limit during warm-up but shows a lack of confidence that it can operate in its designed operating range. That's limiting redline to 6250 and only allowing 8 second bursts over. If the driver screws up it cuts his legs off.

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allows 8 seconds above 6250 rpm up to 8250 rpm

NASTY99Z28 · 08-05-2015, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by GretchenGotGrowl

That could be an issue on a road course with long straights, but I think the impact would rarely be seen (probably why the 5000 RPM thing is there). One question: If the redline does drop on you will it also trigger fuel cutoff? I assume it would and lead to a short (but noticeable) recovery period.

If you do a full quarter mile pull that's longer than 8 seconds and even when shifting it'll never drop below 5000rpm.

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Originally Posted by IOMike

How do we know the gt350r is faster than the z/28, because Ford said so?

Sorry but they haven't had a very good track record of being honest, especially to their Mustang fans.

Lighter, more power and a better powerband. Because of thathat broad poweer band it won't have to shift as much. Trust me the base gt350 should run with it or slightly better while the "R" will gap it by a few seconds and that's huge.

ChefBorOzzy · 08-05-2015, 09:13 AM

Base GT350 is like 60 pounds lighter than the Z/28. It will not be neck and neck with it or faster. The R should be faster than the Z.

GretchenGotGrowl · 08-05-2015, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by NASTY99Z28

If you do a full quarter mile pull that's longer than 8 seconds and even when shifting it'll never drop below 5000rpm.
...

I agree, but I don't think Ford was thinking buyers would spend much time at the drag strip.

hotlap · 08-05-2015, 09:17 AM

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Originally Posted by NASTY99Z28

If you do a full quarter mile pull that's longer than 8 seconds and even when shifting it'll never drop below 5000rpm.

Lighter, more power and a better powerband. Because of thathat broad poweer band it won't have to shift as much. Trust me the base gt350 should run with it or slightly better while the "R" will gap it by a few seconds and that's huge.

Did you see the Z/28 1/4 mile fastest list? Its empty because that is not what the car is designed for.

Is this not a track car with an engine that doesn't wake up until 4000 rpm with a practical red line of 6250 rpm? After that the drive begins saying one, one thousand, two, one thousand, three, one thousand...

SuperSound · 08-05-2015, 09:22 AM

Now I really want to see a full video of the GT350 on the track with telemetry. I would like to see how it can avoid being above 6250rpm for more than 8 secs without resorting to short shifting or bogging below 5000rpm.

IOMike · 08-05-2015, 09:45 AM

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Originally Posted by NASTY99Z28

If you do a full quarter mile pull that's longer than 8 seconds and even when shifting it'll never drop below 5000rpm.

Lighter, more power and a better powerband. Because of thathat broad poweer band it won't have to shift as much. Trust me the base gt350 should run with it or slightly better while the "R" will gap it by a few seconds and that's huge.

60lbs lighter and a few more HP (for 8 seconds) but less torque...completely different tire and suspension setup.

It may be faster, It should be faster, but is it? That remains to be seen.

IOMike · 08-05-2015, 09:47 AM

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Originally Posted by hotlapZL1

Did you see the Z/28 1/4 mile fastest list? Its empty because that is not what the car is designed for.

Is this not a track car with an engine that doesn't wake up until 4000 rpm with a practical red line of 6250 rpm? After that the drive begins saying one, one thousand, two, one thousand, three, one thousand...

I agree but if it shuts down before a 1/4 mile is finished the internet may break due to laughter directed at Ford.

The 8 second wonder. Now Mustang owners know how their girlfriend feels. LMAO.

ULTRAZLS1 · 08-05-2015, 10:01 AM

Lol what a BAND AID!

KMPrenger · 08-05-2015, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

It's posted on Mustang6G in the GT350 section. I don't see it as a problem from what I read and neither do most of the people posting there. I bet it would be a shit storm of bashing the Camaro if GM said the same thing about their engine though. LOL.

HA! If GM released an N/A engine advertised as a high revving track oriented engine, and then said (Oh, but you can't really use the last 2,000 rpm for more than 8 seconds) it would get BLASTED into oblivion by most of those guys. Pill, and his nutty sidekicks would laugh it off as ridiculous.

I'm sure they see no problem with it in this case of course.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChefBorOzzy

"If the 8-second time limit is exceeded, maximum
engine rpm is reduced to 6250 until both of the
following occur:
– Engine is operated for at least 15 seconds below
6000 rpm
– Engine rpm falls below 5000"

That seems troubling . It just doesn't make sense for this to be the case all the time and not just during warm-up. We'll find out more soon I guess.

Seems very troubling to me....there has got to be more to it then this. Maybe the R version has more cooling and allows longer over-revs?

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Originally Posted by SuperSound

Now I really want to see a full video of the GT350 on the track with telemetry. I would like to see how it can avoid being above 6250rpm for more than 8 secs without resorting to short shifting or bogging below 5000rpm.

This...100%. I want to see this too. To me, if you really are going to be using this engine to the max on the track, especially with a long straight you are going to be in this upper range for 8+ seconds. But maybe I'm wrong...maybe most of the powerband will be spent in this sub 6,250 range. It seems to create opportunity for a mistake, which could potentially cost you precious seconds.

titanfan · 08-05-2015, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by IOMike

How do we know the gt350r is faster than the z/28, because Ford said so?

Sorry but they haven't had a very good track record of being honest, especially to their Mustang fans.

And GM hasn't to it's fans? Remember, ZL1 will "run 11's all day long"? I get tired of each camp trying to point out the faults in another's while pretending similar things don't happen in their own. Ford NEVER said the 6thGen Mustang would lose weight compared to the 5thGen, they simply indicated early on that they thought they had the ability to do so. And they likely did, but could not do it with increased NHTSA requirements and keeping the price point they were shooting for. It was the Ford fanboys that were saying it would be lighter, not the company.

shaffe · 08-05-2015, 10:58 AM

It does seem to be a very odd feature the over rev.

But how many courses have long enough straights that you could wind this thing up to redline of 8000 for longer than 8 seconds?

Say you get into that over rev range but you are only in it for 4 seconds before shifting, does it reset it self?

GretchenGotGrowl · 08-05-2015, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by shaffe

It does seem to be a very odd feature the over rev.

But how many courses have long enough straights that you could wind this thing up to redline of 8000 for longer than 8 seconds?

I just thought of something. What if you have a long straight, a sweeper then another straight. I can you you being above 6500 RPM the whole time.

08-05-2015, 09:22 AM	#399
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ChefBorOzzy Drives: 2016 F150 Join Date: May 2014 Location: Iowa Posts: 2,196	Base GT350 is like 60 pounds lighter than the Z/28. It will not be neck and neck with it or faster. The R should be faster than the Z.

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ULTRAZLS1 Drives: 14 Silverado LTZ Z71, 16 Camaro SS Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Jackson, Michigan Posts: 4,423	Lol what a BAND AID!

08-05-2015, 10:58 AM	#405
shaffe Drives: 21 Bronco Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Carol Stream Posts: 6,045	It does seem to be a very odd feature the over rev. But how many courses have long enough straights that you could wind this thing up to redline of 8000 for longer than 8 seconds? Say you get into that over rev range but you are only in it for 4 seconds before shifting, does it reset it self?

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