[Hops]

Originally Posted by GearheadSS

Regardless of whether or not the folks complaining are buying, the car received A LOT of negative press due to the styling. That in combination with what most of social media was saying really got GM's attention.

Even though I've grown to tolerate the 19 front end, I think GM definitely made the right decision with the change just from a press and image standpoint. The best part is that they were able to do it with minimal effort.

I don't disagree with what you wrote... my point was more in world of aesthetic car judgments, we're over weighing those opinions of people that haven't even enough interest to see the car in person, they've only seen it on a computer screen. Social media amplifies this... and that's just the way it is.

I look forward to seeing the 2020's!

[Mountain]

Originally Posted by Hops

But i wonder if all these whiners are really going to be buyers! Not sure what you wrote even applies here. And many complaints without seeing in person, I know my view changed when i saw 18's and 19's together it in person at the dealer, i changed my mind and ordered one! Heck my bmw 1 series was constantly maligned in the press for being ugly when it came out, when i saw it in person, i changed my mind then too.



But GM is probably responding to a real sales decline in the 19's with the 20's effort. Hope it works!

"The customer is always right"

Ever read Bob Lutz's books?

The "customer" is also a point of view. Which customers? The average Joe? The enthusiasts?

[Mountain]

Originally Posted by RLem619

GM just did the minimum to satisfy all you sensitive types, who were up in arms over how horrible the 19's looked.

They literally painted a 3 foot section and moved an emblem 3 inches. That's all it took and now the haters are posting all over the place "yippee, Thank you GM, Looks so much better, etc...". LOL

All the whining and "major" changes, and the 2019 is still the most aggressive looking SS made.

At least now, we can get some actual worthy threads going, hopefully. Got kinda old when all the threads were the same BS.

... Sometimes small changes make big results? Design is 100% like this. You change the general shape of a grille pattern and it can make a sinister looking demon into a goofy donkey....

[Hops]

Originally Posted by Mountain

"The customer is always right"

Ever read Bob Lutz's books?

The "customer" is also a point of view. Which customers? The average Joe? The enthusiasts?

Of course "Car Guys vs. Bean Counters", I guess i'll have to repeat what i wrote above:


"my point was more in world of aesthetic car judgments, we're over weighing those opinions of people that haven't even enough interest to see the car in person, they've only seen it on a computer screen. Social media amplifies this... and that's just the way it is."

[AZCamaroFan]

the hell are you talking about. it's may 2019. the car has been on lots for months. Same jokers were claiming last august 'we havn't seen good pictures yet' meanwhile it was out at car shows, 1,000 pictures out, youtube videos, etc.

rediculous.

[detltu]

The 19's face was starting to grow on me, but once I saw this redesign I still like this new look better. Glad GM made the change. I think the general customer base will like this better. The question is will sales improve at all? pretty sure they won't improve enough to matter, but any improvement would be helpful.

[Hops]

Originally Posted by AZCamaroFan

the hell are you talking about. it's may 2019. the car has been on lots for months. Same jokers were claiming last august 'we havn't seen good pictures yet' meanwhile it was out at car shows, 1,000 pictures out, youtube videos, etc.

rediculous.

Calm down .... easy ... easy.. I like the 2020's.... it ok. I'm writing about the initial reaction to the 19's, and my experience that what a car looks like in person can be different from what it looks like in the media.

[Hops]

I'm wondering if motortrend will do a lightning lap with the LT1 V8, although i kinda doubt it. With all seasons it might lose to the v6 1le, even the turbo.

[GearheadSS]

Originally Posted by Hops

With all seasons it might lose to the v6 1le, even the turbo.

lol not likely.

[396ssrat]

Originally Posted by Mountain

"The customer is always right"

Ever read Bob Lutz's books?

The "customer" is also a point of view. Which customers? The average Joe? The enthusiasts?

The customer who wanted a Camaro but when he saw it he changed his mind and bought an 11 year ole design Challenger instead because it appealed more to him than the corporate flap grilled. truck grilled 2019 front end. Chevrolet over the past several years has tried to make all of their cars and trucks resemble each other and it hasn't turned out all that well for them. Keep in mind that the Challenger is an 11 year old design but is in first place in sales numbers. That should be of concern to Chevrolet. The Camaro is the hands down best corner carver of the top three cars but it is in third place in sales. That is what Chevy should be focused on. Buyers have rejected the '19 Camaro because they didn't like the direction the design team took. The 2020 is a more pleasant design and it will sell. The addition of the LT1 will also pull in some undecided buyers. Now they need to fix the torque management Nanny so the car can leave the starting line in rapid fashion without computer interference and have a drive train which can handle the launch without breaking. Not everyone wants to go on a road course. Dodge and Ford seem to have that part figured out. A street version Copo car with a vin number would sell.

[CUPRA]

Originally Posted by GearheadSS

Wow! V8 Camaro for less than $35k msrp? That's a win!

Sad thing is, I paid that for my 2011 2SS when I ordered it back in the day...

[GearheadSS]

Originally Posted by CUPRA

Sad thing is, I paid that for my 2011 2SS when I ordered it back in the day...

9 years is a long time in the car industry.

[triggerjerk]

Too bad no 10spd for the SS 1LE.

I still think blind spot monitoring should be standard on these cars.
At least it would probably help sway non-enthusiasts.

[hotlap]

Originally Posted by RLem619

GM just did the minimum to satisfy all you sensitive types, who were up in arms over how horrible the 19's looked.

They literally painted a 3 foot section and moved an emblem 3 inches. That's all it took and now the haters are posting all over the place "yippee, Thank you GM, Looks so much better, etc...". LOL

All the whining and "major" changes, and the 2019 is still the most aggressive looking SS made.

At least now, we can get some actual worthy threads going, hopefully. Got kinda old when all the threads were the same BS.

I agree. The 19 is the most aggressive looking SS of all time. I like it

I prefer the bar in the middle black. Painting it just makes "the look" blend in more with the other gen5 and gen6 Camaros.

Moving the bow tie up was a good decision.