01-17-2019, 09:57 PM | #379 | |
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In regards to the GT350R: it is only about 2.5 seconds slower around Nurburgring than the 6th gen ZL1, and the GT350R is about 5 seconds faster than the Z28, so, Ford did its job. Ford Performance released a car a that beat the nearest competitor (2014/15 Z28). And obviously you won't forget that the GT350R has 124 less hp than the ZL1 - imagine if it had similar hp, it would obviously beat the standard ZL1 by a considerable margin - but maybe come up a bit short of the ZLE (we'll never know). Yes, the ZLE is much faster than the standard ZL1 or the GT350R in their factory forms, but it should be, it has much more power than the GT350R and is track enhanced compared to the standard ZL1. By your logic, the 6th gen ZL1 came out after the GT350R so GM was playing catch up since the GT350R already beat the Z28 (and the 2012 ZL1 by 9 seconds). GM then turned the tables and released a Camaro that beat the GT350R. Now, it's Ford's turn to up the ante. Now, I predict the GT500 will out accelerate and out perform the ZLE on a track. Only time will tell!
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01-17-2019, 10:15 PM | #380 |
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The PP2 hasn't out lapped a 1LE anywhere that I've seen. You're comparing tests they ran a year apart and stating PP2 is quicker based on those results. It may be, but we don't know.
BTW, ZR1 put 4-5 seconds on the Ford GT during Lightning Lap for what it's worth.. Also different years. |
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Ford says they have no interest in lap times for the Gt500... Weird, seems like a red flag. Demon style.
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And as far as Dodge continuing to tweak the Challenger / Charger....what else do they have to work on? Dodge showroom is Challenger, Charger, Durango, and Journey. I give them much credit for making the best with what they have.
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01-17-2019, 11:41 PM | #383 | |
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Updated times from last year: Ford GT VIR (not the lightened competition series car): 2:38.62 ZR1: VIR: 2:37.25 Both are great times. Both drivers said neither was trying to set a record, so maybe they both have more in them....either way, those are the two fastest production car times around the VIR that I'm aware of. Which car would I rather have? The Ford GT.
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01-18-2019, 06:08 AM | #385 |
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Actually to run the low 11s your going to need the A10 $66k, just saying.
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The clock has been ticking since 2015 in regards to the HC, and 2017 since the 18 GTs hit the market. tick, tick, tick.
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01-18-2019, 06:16 AM | #387 |
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You mean 60k, no one is paying MSRP. just saying...
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01-18-2019, 07:47 AM | #389 | |
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Chevy doesn't need to answer the Hellcat for starters. And if they did, then why hasn't Dodge answered to the ZL1's superior handling? As much as you don't want to admit it, the ZL1 is at worst equal to the Hellcat when both are in stock trim. On average the ZL1 has the advantage due to the stock tires. So why is the Hellcat nowhere even close to the ZL1 on a track? If the ZL1 has to constantly improve despite being in a completely new Gen and making improvements in every category, then why is the Hellcat allowed to have the same 10 year old platform and improve in only 1 area? If you're criticizing the ZL1 for that then you should be criticizing the Hellcat for like 5 different things. But you're not. How biased. The 1320?? Really? Again, who wins on the track?? You're looking at ONE aspect and trying to use that against the Camaro because that's all you got. And it is a silly argument. Let's look at ALL the performance categories and then tell me where your all of a sudden favorite car on the planet (Challengers) end up. Dead last. I bet the SLE and a standard Vette could beat a Hellcat around a track without much effort. Care to debate that?? And again, if the Camaro has to answer the Hellcat the why did Ford not have an answer to the Hellcat, Demon, Redeye, ZL1 1LE, and ZL1 all this time? Oh they didn't have a model in time. Well how much time did they need? GM had something ready to fight and beat all the competitors after a 1 year hiatus. I repeat, since you missed it the first time...GM does not have to answer every time someone pushes ahead by one tenth of a second. The GT was the one that had to catch up to the SS. And for all their efforts, that is all they could manage to do...catch up to a then 2-3 year old unchanged vehicle. The 1320 is Dodge do everything they can to milk every last drop from the Challenger platform. That is all it is. It is a R/T Scat Pack with some components from other Challengers that does slightly better in the quarter mile and does nothing else. The Redeye is a Hellcat with a bigger blower and a few other things carried over from the Demon. So far it dynos exactly what the Hellcat dynos to the wheels. That's a bit curious eh?? So is it really 797 HP? Because if you do the math, 797 HP comes out to approx what the 707 HP HCs were making at the wheels all this time. Look that up and tell me what you think. So if anything, Dodge chose not to provide a car that handles even remotely good. And that's good for them. Ford HAD to respond to the SS, SLE, ZL1, and ZLE. They had no recourse but to. GM has nobody to answer to because they set the performance bar. They set it and then went back to set more bars later. Ford had to reach that bar. And more than likely, the Camaro will set the bar again. When Dodge makes something that not only goes fast in a straight line but also can at least compete on a track without looking like a joke then the Camaro will have something to battle. When Ford stops coming late to the table to battle Camaros that were put out years ago, then the Camaro might have some competition. When the Mustang gets the proper coolers so they don't overheat, then the Camaro might have their hands full. When Mustangs don't have excessive engine, drivetrain, suspension, and other mechanical issues, then the Camaro might have something to worry about. Until then I don't see how they should be worried about any of the competition. Basically, the competition is a joke to the Camaro. |
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Hats off to Ford for the new GT500 and the Mustang updates. And Ford has the advantage of better supporting those who want to mod for more performance. Not much from Chevy on this front.
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This is such a selective BS statement. Nothing is slowed than a manual Mustang GT and you know it!
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