02-12-2020, 02:16 PM | #337 | |
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Camaro for the win again without even posting its biggest strength of the laptimes. If Blaq unblocks me he might find this quote interesting as it's 100% what I've been saying. "With a talented 'shoe in control, the Camaro is quickest to 60 mph, a feat it manages in 3.4 seconds. At 11.5 seconds in the quarter-mile, it's only a tenth off the much more powerful GT500 because one had traction and one did not." Also they finally called out the garbage launch control on the Camaro and Redeye, and reconfirmed the GT500 has good LC minus the delay. |
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02-12-2020, 02:27 PM | #338 | |
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When talking about what actually matter, not solely about what Ford and GM offer, but talking what I can actually buy one for, which one I WOULD BUY, then the only real number that matters is price paid. Even on M6G, some Mustang guys are saying, IF the price were the same I would take the GT500 for sure. A nice way of saying they would pick the Camaro.
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02-12-2020, 03:32 PM | #339 | |
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I think you and I have been saying the gt500 LC seems pretty good, the camaro and hellcats sucks.
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02-12-2020, 04:11 PM | #340 | |
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02-12-2020, 06:30 PM | #341 | |
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Disclaimer: It's just a hunch and a topic starter/enhancer shaffe... Last edited by BlaqWhole; 02-13-2020 at 07:00 AM. |
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Agree with you, the ones who argue that you can only compare off msrp are lying. When you know that real-world, a Camaro ZL1/1LE buyer could probably also buy a Camaro SS for daily driving (to save the ZLE for weekends) for what he'd actually pay to get a GT500 CFTP, then the honest price of the Ford has to be considered pretty obscene in comparison to the Chevy.
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For the most part, MSRP is a good comparison metric becasue most cars are bought a bit under MSRP. And if you are a bit patient, you can wait for an incentive to pop up, etc. So comparing a few cars at MSRP makes sense.
But when ADMs can be as high as $20k, ADM's must be taken into consideration. A few grand incentive vs. a few grand ADM may not be a swaying factor if you are buying for passion or performance. But the high level and duration of ADMs on Shelby cars have to be in the mix for any honest comparison. If the ADMs were small and dissapeared within 6 months, then I wouldn't bother. |
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Obviously if/when you are going to purchase then yes by all means you have to consider real world OTD costs.
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Some like to compare competing cars without the intent of buying, only to compare what two competing manufacturers offer to the market in a given segment. In this sort of comparison, it is accurate to say that to compete with the $74K ZLE, Ford charges you $94K. If I want to go buy either of these cars, the comparison is completely different as MSRP is just a '...Suggested Retail Price" and we all know a ZLE can be had for less than MSRP and a CFTP for all intents and purposes will cost you more than MSRP. MSRP is irrelevant in the real world outside of being a starting point for negotiations. If you pay more you're a sucker, and if you pay less you did well in negotiating a good price. I don't know, maybe I am crazy, but I see no lies.
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02-13-2020, 10:39 AM | #348 | |
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So for any given individual, those are pretty fixed costs (or fixed rates in the case of taxes). AND, NONE of those factors were ever included in the discussion. It's not like anyong is saying John paid this and Fred paid that, when John and Fred live in different states, and John only paid more because his tax rate was higher... AND AND, not only that, if you have a fix tax rate of 5% or something, you will pay EVEN MORE for a more expensive car that includes ADMs. It's not like you pay taxes on the MSRP, you pay taxes on the SALES PRICE. 5% on $20k ADM is another $1000 on top! And, if you get the car under MSRP, you pay even less in taxes too. So, it is completely unrealistic to NOT include ADMs when they are so high. Sure, ADMs of a few grand or ADMs that dissapear in a few months can be ignored, but anything over $5k must be brought into the equation, especially if they last long. Otherwise you are nowhere near the real price that folks will actually pay. |
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02-13-2020, 10:49 AM | #350 | |
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I think msrp to msrp should be listed for sure in the stats, as it will remian constant even when adm's fizzle out, but the actual street value prices at the time of the review should be mentioned and noted in the written parts of the reviews. Also financing, paying cash, taxes and what not wouldn't really have any impact on one car being way more expensive in real world prices.
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