[whiteboyblues2001]

Has anyone seen this yet? From the Corvette forum:

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

Unless it completely stomps the ZL1 I doubt it'll generate any excitement here. I'm already bored with it and it ain't even out yet. Too much time has passed and there's been too much speculation about it that once it gets here it'll just be an expensive and fast car.

Hey BlagWhole, I hope your going to enjoy this C8 Corvette info as much as I do and as much fun I had getting pics of this page a GM engineer had in his booklet at Corvettes at Carlisle this past weekend.

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

Has anyone seen this yet? From the Corvette forum:

Thanks for sharing it bud, that was my post on the Corvette Forum

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

Thanks for sharing it bud, that was my post on the Corvette Forum

Thanks for the info! How did you get it? Did the engineer give you the booklet, or did you just find it laying around?

[Roscoe1492]

Originally Posted by Rodan

A couple of juvenile moto 'journalists' liked the GT350 better, basically because it was louder...

In every objective measure the ZL1 is a better car.

While they're having 'fun', I'll be watching them disappear in my rearview...

Look, I was always a Mustang guy, and was seriously considering a GT350, as an upgrade from our '17 GT PP. Until I looked into the ZL1. There's simply no question... it's a better GT car on the street, and it's faster on the track. End of story.

Truth.

stock vs. stock I think the only performance (big maybe) one up the GT350 has over the ZL1 is brake pedal feel.

I 100% enjoy driving my Zl1 over my GT350. On a track the 350 was a lot of fun, but around town it was not. You can only take it to the 8250 red line in first gear on public roads. Anything after that and you're asking for a ticket or worse.

The ZL1 surpasses it on the track, and it more fun to drive on the street. I can't wait to get more track time behind the wheel, so I can get more comfortable pushing it as hard as I did the 350.

I grew up in a Mustang house, but the 6th gen Camaro is objectively the better performance vehicle. In my opinion, choosing the Gt350 over the ZL1 is more of an emotional choice. I have zero regrets trading it in.

[RobbyBeefcake87]

Originally Posted by Roscoe1492

Truth.

stock vs. stock I think the only performance (big maybe) one up the GT350 has over the ZL1 is brake pedal feel.

I 100% enjoy driving my Zl1 over my GT350. On a track the 350 was a lot of fun, but around town it was not. You can only take it to the 8250 red line in first gear on public roads. Anything after that and you're asking for a ticket or worse.

The ZL1 surpasses it on the track, and it more fun to drive on the street. I can't wait to get more track time behind the wheel, so I can get more comfortable pushing it as hard as I did the 350.

I grew up in a Mustang house, but the 6th gen Camaro is objectively the better performance vehicle. In my opinion, choosing the Gt350 over the ZL1 is more of an emotional choice. I have zero regrets trading it in.

Well said... and there's nothing wrong with choosing a mustang or gt350 if that's the car you prefer and the better car for you... but the 6th gen camaro is objectively the better sports car.

[NW-99SS]

Originally Posted by Roscoe1492

Truth.

stock vs. stock I think the only performance (big maybe) one up the GT350 has over the ZL1 is brake pedal feel.

I 100% enjoy driving my Zl1 over my GT350. On a track the 350 was a lot of fun, but around town it was not. You can only take it to the 8250 red line in first gear on public roads. Anything after that and you're asking for a ticket or worse.

The ZL1 surpasses it on the track, and it more fun to drive on the street. I can't wait to get more track time behind the wheel, so I can get more comfortable pushing it as hard as I did the 350.

I grew up in a Mustang house, but the 6th gen Camaro is objectively the better performance vehicle. In my opinion, choosing the Gt350 over the ZL1 is more of an emotional choice. I have zero regrets trading it in.

As always, actual owner experience will trump a magazine writer's brief opinion.

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

Well said... and there's nothing wrong with choosing a mustang or gt350 if that's the car you prefer and the better car for you... but the 6th gen camaro is objectively the better sports car.

Completely agree. I love the Voodoo as a track tool - I am just sad to hear about the oil consumption issues.

[lt4camaro]

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

Thanks for the info! How did you get it? Did the engineer give you the booklet, or did you just find it laying around?

There were a 2 different guys 2 different days that were carrying the book but not in plain site. The second day, guy # 1 would not let me take pictures of the page, I saw guy #2 later in the day to just get better pictures so I get it all. They would not let you hold the book and rushed you reading any sensitive material.

[whiteboyblues2001]

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

There were a 2 different guys 2 different days that were carrying the book but not in plain site. The second day, guy # 1 would not let me take pictures of the page, I saw guy #2 later in the day to just get better pictures so I get it all. They would not let you hold the book and rushed you reading any sensitive material.

Wow, I'm surprised they let you take pictures at all. Great info! Looks like the C8 is going to be a beast, especially for the price.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Martinjlm

For the record, I cannot and will not "confirm" any rumors. I might refute some that are waaaay off the trail. I would not refute this one. Not confirming. Not refuting. It is consistent with some things that I've heard.

LOL, I do not blame you. Especially after what happened after last time. But as I said before, whatever is good enough for you is good enough for me. If it sounds consistent with what you know or heard then I can all but be assured that it is legit!!

Originally Posted by whiteboyblues2001

Has anyone seen this yet? From the Corvette forum:

Originally Posted by lt4camaro

Hey BlagWhole, I hope your going to enjoy this C8 Corvette info as much as I do and as much fun I had getting pics of this page a GM engineer had in his booklet at Corvettes at Carlisle this past weekend.

WHOA!!!

And that is the LT2. So the LT1 might be a tad faster considering it would be lighter.

I also see that despite the Z51 having a .2 sec 0-60 advantage they are both doing 11.3 in the quarter. I'm guessing the gearing in the Z51 holds it back after that 60 MPH mark and the gearing in the non-Z51 allows it to catch up. That is interesting. Because I've been going back and forth on if I want the Z51 or not. And now I'm closer to thinking the non-Z51 is better. It will likely pull more on the highway especially since it has a much higher top speed. And really, the only thing I wanted with the Z51 was that wing. So I'm getting closer to a decision.

Thanks for posting this info guys. I won't ask how you got it...lol!!

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Roscoe1492

Truth.

stock vs. stock I think the only performance (big maybe) one up the GT350 has over the ZL1 is brake pedal feel.

I 100% enjoy driving my Zl1 over my GT350. On a track the 350 was a lot of fun, but around town it was not. You can only take it to the 8250 red line in first gear on public roads. Anything after that and you're asking for a ticket or worse.

The ZL1 surpasses it on the track, and it more fun to drive on the street. I can't wait to get more track time behind the wheel, so I can get more comfortable pushing it as hard as I did the 350.

I grew up in a Mustang house, but the 6th gen Camaro is objectively the better performance vehicle. In my opinion, choosing the Gt350 over the ZL1 is more of an emotional choice. I have zero regrets trading it in.

We have had numerous people who joined up here who, after owning a GT350 for a while they bought a ZL1. They all have claimed that they liked the ZL1 better. And all of their reviews on both cars have been remarkably similar to yours. One of our ZL1 guys went out and bought a GT350 and he said the same things too. Which leads me to believe that maybe those MT guys were just making fluff statements so as not to piss off their Mustang fans or for whatever ulterior reason. Anyway it doesn't matter to me because preference is preference. I think it is obvious that GM is building better cars that are more affordable, have more performance, better quality, better durability, and have the best overall value.

Originally Posted by RobbyBeefcake87

Well said... and there's nothing wrong with choosing a mustang or gt350 if that's the car you prefer and the better car for you... but the 6th gen camaro is objectively the better sports car.

Agreed!!

Originally Posted by NW-99SS

As always, actual owner experience will trump a magazine writer's brief opinion.



Completely agree. I love the Voodoo as a track tool - I am just sad to hear about the oil consumption issues.

Mustangs give a very good first impression. I remember my first test drive and I was thinking "I gotta have this car". But then on the way home after signing for it I remember feeling like I made a mistake...it just didn't perform like I thought it should. I'm thinking these testers who rave about the car after these little shootouts would feel much differently after living with the car for a week.

[Dethsupp0rt]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

And that is the LT2. So the LT1 might be a tad faster considering it would be lighter.

LT2 is the engine designation, not the 2LT trim package.

[BlaqWhole]

Originally Posted by Dethsupp0rt

LT2 is the engine designation, not the 2LT trim package.

Typing error on my part.

[Idaho2018GTPremium]

Originally Posted by BlaqWhole

LOL, I do not blame you. Especially after what happened after last time. But as I said before, whatever is good enough for you is good enough for me. If it sounds consistent with what you know or heard then I can all but be assured that it is legit!!


WHOA!!!

And that is the LT2. So the LT1 might be a tad faster considering it would be lighter.

I also see that despite the Z51 having a .2 sec 0-60 advantage they are both doing 11.3 in the quarter. I'm guessing the gearing in the Z51 holds it back after that 60 MPH mark and the gearing in the non-Z51 allows it to catch up. That is interesting. Because I've been going back and forth on if I want the Z51 or not. And now I'm closer to thinking the non-Z51 is better. It will likely pull more on the highway especially since it has a much higher top speed. And really, the only thing I wanted with the Z51 was that wing. So I'm getting closer to a decision.

Thanks for posting this info guys. I won't ask how you got it...lol!!

11.3 seconds is great, but I think you'll be underwhelmed with the highway acceleration of the C8 (either base or Z51) compared to your ZL1 or Hellcat. While it's not slow, it's not as powerful or fast as the times (3.0/11.3) indicate.

Some statistics for comparison:
C8: 60-100 mph = 4.6 seconds, 1/4 mile trap speed = 121 mph
2017 ZL1: 60-100 mph = 4.0 sec, 1/4 mile = 125 mph (10 speed auto)
Hellcat: 60-100 mph = 4.0 sec, 1/4 mile = 126 mph
2018 GT*: 60-100 mph = 4.7 sec, 1/4 mile = 120 mph
2015 Z06: 60-100 mph = 3.8 sec, 1/4 mile = 127 mph. This car also did 0-60 in 3.0 sec.
2016 Camaro SS 60-100 mph = 5.0 sec, 1/4 mile = 118 mph (8 speed auto)
2017 Porsche 911 Carrera S: 60-100 mph = 4.4 sec, 1/4 mile = 123 mph
2020 911 Carrera S: 60-100 mph = 4.2 sec, 1/4 mile = 125 mph. This car also did 0-60 in 3.0 sec.
2019 BMW M4 CS: 60-100 = 4.5 sec, 1/4 mile = 121 mph
2019 Corvette ZR1: 60-100 = 3.1 sec, 1/4 mile = 135 mph. This car also did 0-60 in 3.0 sec.


The C8, after traction is no longer a factor, accelerates about the same as a GT*. Like I said, not slow, but not ZL1/Hellcat fast from a roll.