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There actually have been times where I wondered how things would have turned out had I become a machinist instead. Might have been a bit more portable. Whether I'd have ended up any better off we'll never know.
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Think in terms of 2.5L or a bit more, with more moderate boost levels that would come in quicker or at lower revs. Balance-shafted if/as necessary. Quote:
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But I get the concept of diminishing returns, and we're off the steep part of the learning curve as it is. Seems to me a reasonable point to at least pause. Quote:
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Today I can buy a Galaxy SIII mobile phone with a 16GB memory, TouchWiz interface, it's S Voice feature can recognize 8 languages, it can play music, TV programs, podcasts, audiobooks, and surf the Internet. It also has a 1.9 megapixel camera that can also shoot HD video at 720p @ 230 frames/s. Despite the added cost of technology improvements that weren't available back then the Galaxy SIII retails for $699.99. So now we have a product that has numerous technological advancements and yet is cheaper in real dollars than it was 2 decades ago (when you factor in inflation, the price gap gets even bigger). How did this happen? I have an idea! Maybe it was because the Gov't wasn't mandating to cell phone companies how long battery life had to be, drop test ratings, size and weight, what applications must be put on the phones, nor mandating what cameras must be on the phones, etc. When the private sector is unmolested, and when consumer demand drives the market, the advances in technology and drops in price will amaze you.
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I stand by my comment, I've been in every factory in Detroit from the Chrysler Jefferson plant to GMC Truck in Flint. I've seen and experienced everything first hand. You would have been very surprised, the crap that goes on in those factorys. They were cities within a city. There was more illegal activities going on than work, and the only thing that was cared about was the paycheck at the end of the week. Just because the cars had more metal didn't make them better. Their idea of holding tolerances back then was " close enough " . I guess just because the cars were simpler and easier to work on made them better, that's ok. It's ok if rusting and turning into rattle traps within a couple years was better. As far as the warranty thing back then, your right because I wouldn't want to stand behind the products either.
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As for the paycheck thing, we can agree that hasnt changed nor will it change. I'm sure its exactly the same and those folks could give a damn about putting together a car day in and day out. Especially the way the Union has been played out.
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The real questions is: At what point has the government FINISHED their transporation regulations? You would think that after 100 years of cars and car regulations, that they would have figured out what lights we need, how many MPH our bumpers must take, and what MPGs we should have, don't you? A common misconception or intentional misrepresentation of certain politiicians is that people who argue for less regulation are "anti regulation" and those who argue for smaller government are "anti government". This is totally wrong. There are roles for regulation and government that are clearly defined. People reject the OVERREACH beyond those definitions. The problem is that the regulators NEED to keep regulating and re-regulating, because even though the number of things that can be regulated is finite, they will be out of a job if they ever finish the task. Therefore, we have regulations on top of regulations ammending regulations, and updating regulations. Same for laws too. There's no end. The job of the regulator is FIRST to protect their own jobs by constantly rewriting regulations. Did you know that in the past 3 months the governernment has put our nearly 6,000 regulations? Regulations put a drag on the economy be the sheer work needed to keep up with them and follow them. The private sector spends $500 BILLION a year just in regulation compliance. This is dragging the economy into the mud. We regulate things and then change the regulations the next year, and people waste tremendous time becuase nothing is ever the same and so more time and money is wasted. There's a certain finite number of regulations we need, and the rest are just regulators trying to protect their jobs, plus a certain amount of regulations being created because the party in control wants to use them as a tool to change the society. WE DO NOT NEED THIS. Most, if not all of the regulations you cited are completely unnecessary because they would be done voluntarily by carmakes because of consumer demand or as the result of lawsuits long since decided. Do we REALLY need backup sensors on every car? Do we REALLY need stability control on every car? Do we really need CHMSL on every car? |
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Where I live we now cannot own certain scary looking firearms, and accessories even though we bought them legally. This is currently the law, but the courts may uphold the 4th ammendment. There's a chance they will NOT, and therefore the constitution is shredded a bit more. Even if there's no outright BAN on something, they can find ways to make it useless. For example, they get around the 4th ammendment not by actually confiscating your V8, but instead by putting a $10K per year registration fee on any car with more than 4 cylinders. This is effectively a de-facto "ban", without violating the 4th ammendment. Same result. They're dumb, but they have learned over time how to circumvent the protections of our rights in the constitution. |
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http://freebeacon.com/uaw-wins-jobs-...-on-the-clock/ But we all know change is good. Without the changes the unions brought, those poor guys would have been fired.
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Dont worry, the auto plants and their workers are better now than they used to be. Remember, change is good. SlingShot told us so.
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If politics werent a no-no on this board, I'd give my thoughts on this "change" thing.
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However, even if Bluetooth connectivity is on $1 (and it is much more than that in your car) that is $1 more than you could have spent "back in the day". That is all the point I was trying to make. And the example I gave on the door beams in the Japanese market must not have hit home. But the question is, without government intervention would we have what we have today. Remember the first airbags? GM introduced them long before they were required. No one bought them. Expensive, yes. But no sales. It is likely that without regulations, all cars would have lights, turn signals, good brakes and accelerators that don't stick. Most of these regulations (if you understand the process, which I do) come from people complaining to the government. And all NPRMs are sent to the manufacturers for comment and it's a lengthy process. The bigger issue seems to be emissions and fuel economy. Without regulation, would we be on the right path if left to our own devices? Should the government play a role or any role for that matter in protecting us from ourselves? That's what most laws are intended to do. The ones that make it illegal for someone to break into your home and take your stuff we tend to like. The ones that influence what you can buy, not so much.
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