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So while following the thread, since it is like watching a house burn down, I am throwing in my constructive opinion.
I just spent 17 months driving a new Mustang GT Premium and put 6000 miles on it. This was a fun car to drive. It also had the cross-traffic and blind spot monitors. Of course a backup camera as well. I travel the interstate to and from work. Plus normal around town driving. As far as actual "straight forward" driving in traffic the car is no different then the Camaro. Keep in mind I moved from a 2013 Corvette to the Mustang. The Vette definitely is the worse of the 3. I drive looking forward at where I am going with my mirrors set correctly. The Vette could use a more useful mirror. But anybody who buys a sports car and complains about visability, not being able to see the nose or parking curbs, etc. really shouldn't be driving one. Sports cars are for enthusiasts. I will say I had been looking at the new Camaro with great interest since it debuted. Never owning a Camaro in my life but having owned a half dozen Vettes, the Corvette engine in the Camaro brought me here. And then there was driving it. Very nimble and well connected to the road. Much, much nicer with better manors on the highway. The Mustang is a bucking bronco in comparison. Around town both cars are equal. But the Camaro with the dual-mode exhaust is more of a growling animal. It just sounds mean and "corvette like" and, for the record, my 2013 LS3 had the dual mode exhaust but did not sound like this car. The only issue I found on the first few days was coming out of my neighborhood across 3 lanes of traffic and stopping in the median diagonally l do have an issue seeing on-coming traffic over the right shoulder. I might have stepped up to the 2SS just for this but no real problem and certainly no reason not to own it. So in response to "is Camaro losing sales to the Mustang?" Not if a true sports car enthusiast drives both with an open mind. And when asked what I like about my new SS the best, living in the tourist state of Florida, nobody is confusing my Camaro with one of the thousands of rental cars on our roads. Especially when they hear it growl. |
04-16-2016, 08:19 AM | #282 | |
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This car COULD have been awesome AND had improved visibility over a Gen5. It was a decision to do otherwise. Anyone who claims that a car of this size MUST somehow have bad visibility is, as nice as I can put it, mistaken. Again, my point all along, you opinion is important and valuable. But it doesn't mean it has to be true for everyone else or even anyone else. I appreciate that you think "sports cars are for enthusiasts". Well guess what, the I4 and V6 are not Sports Cars, they are Sporty Coupes. And people looking for those cars may not be willing to make the same visibility trade offs you are. And that is one of the concerns here. Is the constant magazine harping on the issue, which is real, hindering sales at all? But you are correct in that the visibility the Gen6 has is no reason not to own one...............unless having "good" direct vision is important to you. Then it is a reason not to own one. Keep in mind, this site is primarily V8 SS fanatics. That SHOULD be only about half of the volume if the car is selling well. Maybe a bit more with gas at or about $2 per gallon. The I4 and V6 should be selling well to keep the volume up. This car has to sell far more than the Corvette. If not there won't be room for two low volume cars, one that is profitable and one that isn't. We are still about 2 months from seeing how I4 and convertible sales help overall sales. It should help and perhaps quiet the concerns about sales relative to the Mustang.
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Actually hoping GM moves the Impala to the Alpha architecture. Chevy doesn't need another compact sedan the size of a Cruze, V8 or not. I'm not even sure with the new Malibu there is room for a CTS sized car in Chevy lineup.
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I do think that GM should have a RWD sedan available, both in V6/V8 forms. Some people just want RWD, but can't afford a $40,000+ price of entry.
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Styling drives these choices.
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An interesting article from last November's Hot Rod (below) and a quote from the greatest designer. Bill Mitchell - "Designing a car by committee is like 10 guys doing a painting"
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If you haven't heard the story, Mark Reuss tells it pretty well. GM definitely wants to make a styling statement and they should. But the victory is a car that performs, accommodates and looks awesome. What GM has given us in Cadillac over the past few years is a refrigerator that holds half the milk and groceries of the competitor. "Wow, look how awesome it looks" they would say. "People will buy just because it looks so beautiful". But in the end, it's still a refrigerator and it still has to hold all your groceries. If I'm paying 10 grand for a Subzero, it darn well better look good, keep my food perfectly cold, be durable annnnnnd hold all my stuff. Yes, people will buy a refrigerator simply because it looks cool, but you have significantly restricted your sales. And if you have a business case on selling beautiful things that aren't competitive in everything they do, great for you! And GM may be "settling" for just that in some cases like Cadillac. But if we go back to the Malibu example, I can assure you they aren't in every case. I took a yellow CTF Aztek on a trip to Florida years ago. Will never forget the kid in the back seat of a car that passed us.......pointing and laughing.
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Cadillac is cool again and the CT6 seems to be moving from edgy to elegant. Are we seeing a similar movement to re-establish Chevrolet? Styling, performance, content, price position, etc. you obviously know more about the topic but I'll add this. I was a kid in the 70s when GM styling and brand identity was dominant. I clearly recall thinking GM was slipping in the 80s (wtf) and then gave up on GM in the mid 90s other than RWD V8. I'm encouraged by what I'm seeing
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