[Camfab]

Originally Posted by Chippy

To add to that parts on the Camaro’s are low priority to the parts suppliers. The PDR is antique compared to the one in the C8, the rear wing from Pratt and Miller would be very low production and who knows about Multimatics priorities? I’m sure there’s more I’m missing.

Just out of curiosity, do you know for certain that Pratt Miller actually manufactures the rear wing? I would guess it was made in China. I have no doubt it was designed by Pratt Miller. I agree about the PDR which is why I opted out of buying it.

[cvp33]

Originally Posted by Camfab

Just out of curiosity, do you know for certain that Pratt Miller actually manufactures the rear wing? I would guess it was made in China. I have no doubt it was designed by Pratt Miller. I agree about the PDR which is why I opted out of buying it.

The aforementioned carbon fiber wing is just one of the elements to the $7,500 ZL1 1LE package, but an important one to help hustle the Camaro around road courses faster with 80 percent more downforce compared to the base ZL1 wing. Developed with the help of GM's road racing partners at Pratt & Miller, the large appendage provides 300 pounds of downforce at 150 mph.

Doesn’t say manufactured by, but does say ‘developed with help…’

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by Palutz

I don't know if this is a good analogy but the ZLE is a rocket strapped on to a go kart and the ZL1 is a boat with a big motor. I think one day I'll get a convertible to cruise by the Gulf, but for now I'm still loving the extra boost from the ZLE. Yes the bumps are real in the ZLE so again it's not for everyone. Too bad the Camaro is going away because the whole suv truck ev bs is a sad future for guys out there and I'm saying this at 40. Nothing can replace the visceral raw experience of the V8 6.2 liter engine period. No record setting 0-60s and quarter mile times in an appliance can match that.

Also have to add that GM/Chevy has gone all in on the C8 so all parts will be prioritized for the Corvette from now on. The Camaro was the poor man's Corvette so I hope everyone that wants a Camaro can get one. The 6th generation internal combustion engines have put smiles and happiness in people's life.

This is quite possibly the dumbest analogy I've ever heard. A ZL1 is a boat with a big motor? I've heard this reference in regards to a Hellcat many times because they weigh 4500lbs, but a ZL1 is 3880 lbs which only about 70lbs heavier than 1LE and FAR from a boat with a big motor.

[bootss]

The 1LE package on the ZL1 turns it into something that feels like it's on rails . The M6 is just a little bit of fun even if it's not as fast as the A10.

That said, my wife won't get in the car, and that supercharged v8 is too damn fast for public roads. How anyone gets out of 4th gear without getting a ticket, I don't know. This car comfortably does 120 and you won't notice unless you look at your fuel consumption LOL. SO yeah, mine is always for sale, what isn't? But i'll miss this car every day if I do let it go.

[Camfab]

Originally Posted by cvp33

The aforementioned carbon fiber wing is just one of the elements to the $7,500 ZL1 1LE package, but an important one to help hustle the Camaro around road courses faster with 80 percent more downforce compared to the base ZL1 wing. Developed with the help of GM's road racing partners at Pratt & Miller, the large appendage provides 300 pounds of downforce at 150 mph.

Doesn’t say manufactured by, but does say ‘developed with help…’

The reason I asked the question wasn’t because of the specs or functionality, but it’s seems this part has caused multiple delays in production. My logic was based on the fact that so many products sourced from China have had delays and inconsistent production. Believe me, I’d love to be wrong about this, as I’d prefer to see everything on these cars sourced from North America, but that’s definitely not the case.

[hawk02]

Originally Posted by Palutz

I don't know if this is a good analogy but the ZLE is a rocket strapped on to a go kart and the ZL1 is a boat with a big motor. I think one day I'll get a convertible to cruise by the Gulf, but for now I'm still loving the extra boost from the ZLE. Yes the bumps are real in the ZLE so again it's not for everyone. Too bad the Camaro is going away because the whole suv truck ev bs is a sad future for guys out there and I'm saying this at 40. Nothing can replace the visceral raw experience of the V8 6.2 liter engine period. No record setting 0-60s and quarter mile times in an appliance can match that.

Also have to add that GM/Chevy has gone all in on the C8 so all parts will be prioritized for the Corvette from now on. The Camaro was the poor man's Corvette so I hope everyone that wants a Camaro can get one. The 6th generation internal combustion engines have put smiles and happiness in people's life.

Originally Posted by Z OH 6

This is quite possibly the dumbest analogy I've ever heard. A ZL1 is a boat with a big motor? I've heard this reference in regards to a Hellcat many times because they weigh 4500lbs, but a ZL1 is 3880 lbs which only about 70lbs heavier than 1LE and FAR from a boat with a big motor.

I agree. You might describe a 1977 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham as a boat on wheels but a 6th-gen ZL1 wouldn't come close to that description.

Some People act like the ZL1 1LE is a completely different design than a ZL1. Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's the same chassis platform, the same powertrain with some added aero and suspension tweaks to make it perform a little better on a TRACK. It's not some revolutionary design.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by hawk02

I agree. You might describe a 1977 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham as a boat on wheels but a 6th-gen ZL1 wouldn't come close to that description.

Some People act like the ZL1 1LE is a completely different design than a ZL1. Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's the same chassis platform, the same powertrain with some added aero and suspension tweaks to make it perform a little better on a TRACK. It's not some revolutionary design.

[JSH]

Let's all take a moment to salute our beloved 1LE before it becomes a museum piece.

[Camfab]

The best comparison would be the Viper and the Viper ACR. The non ACR Viper is a legend in its own right and the ACR is the King of the road course. I also believe valuations will follow a similar path in the end.

[Z OH 6]

Originally Posted by Camfab

The best comparison would be the Viper and the Viper ACR. The non ACR Viper is a legend in its own right and the ACR is the King of the road course. I also believe valuations will follow a similar path in the end.

It won't. The previous generation Z28 and 1LE's haven't really appreciated much at all.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/20...let-camaro-33/

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...z-28-iroc-z-5/

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/19...olet-camaro-8/

[Camaro70.5]

This post quickly changed lanes from production issues to merits of added options and trims. As a 1LE owner i'm envious of certain unavailable things. The non-1LE (ZL1) could be a daily driver with tires that can handle rain and a possible top down when you want that. I wouldn't necessarily worry about scraping my nose or picking my a nail with sticky slicks. When followed by a buddy on a drive I would'n't worry I might throw up a rock and break his windshield. The wing on these is pretty awesome but I find myself a bit embarrassed occasionally at how dam big it is in comparison to the rear of the car. These cars are not always driven on the track.
All that - it's a great car. That we must all agree on.

[LeonardS]

I think the ZLE’s will hold their value better and be the most desirable of the 6th Gens. Does that matter to me…..no. I don’t buy cars for investment or to resell. I still have my 92 purchased new, my 94 purchased new, my 99 purchased new and my 69 purchased in 1987/88. Selling them will be the next generations problem.

[Camfab]

A couple of assumptions here which make this a different scenario. A new Gen ICE Camaro is not on its way. Last Chevrolet with a manual. Z28’s were sitting unsold on dealer lots. This is a different time, and it’s very difficult to get your hands on a 1le. The last Generation which is also a beast will make all the difference.
I had a Gen II ACR Viper, it was mint and while it did sell for a premium over the standard Viper, it wasn’t double the value. Look at what happened to the Gen 5 Vipers and ACR’s. The ACR’s went ballistic once the model was discontinued. The standard Vipers value was dragged up as well, not to the same extent but went up substantially compared to what had happened in the past. Anyway time will tell, if the market continues slumping everything might go to poop. It’s all speculation and like my earlier post, I always lose money on cars.

[Camfab]

Originally Posted by LeonardS

I think the ZLE’s will hold their value better and be the most desirable of the 6th Gens. Does that matter to me…..no. I don’t buy cars for investment or to resell. I still have my 92 purchased new, my 94 purchased new, my 99 purchased new and my 69 purchased in 1987/88. Selling them will be the next generations problem.

Leonard I read your story about your 1992 Camaro, it’s such an awesome story. In 1985 I purchased the then new IROC Camaro with TPI from Baer Chevrolet in Northridge. I was in college at Cal State University Northridge, and absolutely loved that car. One of my business classes, possibly a management class took us for a tour of the Van Nuys plant. I can’t tell you how excited I was that day watching all those Camaro’s coming together with all the bins of harnesses, bolts, engines on the racks! I can only imagine how exciting it would have been for you!