[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by gtfoxy

Where is all the needed infrastructure money needed coming from? The power plants? The .gov, or us? With the incompetence, corruption & wastefulness of government officials it would be an unmitigated disaster.

Should electricity cost be quadruple or more to fund this solution looking for a problem when gasoline is around $2/ gal right now?

We are 20+ TRILLION in debt, our economy’s had been wrecked by fear.

What, money printer just go BRRRRRRR?

I was only referring to the emissions. That's it.

All the other stuff, I have addressed it in other related threads. If you didn't see them, I wonder about the same questions you have.

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[gtfoxy]

Originally Posted by 95birdible

As someone who lives north of the Twin Cities and likes to take road trips quite often, and EV is not for me. If I want to drive the 6 hours to Thunder Bay or somewhere across the border to fish, I can make it there on one fill up. With an EV, how many times will I have to stop, recharge, and wait? Plus, if you are hauling a boat and all your gear that will reduce your charge even more. I don't forsee there being a big demand for these type of vehicles in rural areas. Sure the coasts and big metro areas they might work, but not for people that like to drive to their long destination.

Don’t worry, no non-necessary travel for you, comrade.

Have to stick to your allotted energy rations, peasant.

[SS376]

Originally Posted by MackSteelPrivateEye

Barra was and still is nothing but a figurehead for the stock holders and politically correct community.

You're 100% correct. Sad to say as a former diehard GM guy, but I can't see myself ever buying a GM product again. Between this and the ridiculous logic behind the redesigned GM logo (the lower case m supposedly means they're more "inclusive") they are dead to me.

[CHASLT1]

Originally Posted by GrayLT1

It’s crazy how people don’t understand how bad batteries are for the environment. I had one friend that fought me on the topic, but I will give him credit. He did his own research and he got rid of his hybrid and bought a jeep.

However most of these folks just seem to go with whatever is politically correct than dealing with reality.

Ok off my soapbox.

Guess we will need waste dumps on the moon and send them up by ship at a huge cost. No matter what we use for energy there is a bad side effect. Nuke plants cost billions and we have to deal with the waste. The power grid can't take all of us charging the cars at once and whatever is saved on fule is spent to make power so it all still ends up in the sky.

[95 imp]

Originally Posted by GrayLT1

It’s crazy how people don’t understand how bad batteries are for the environment. I had one friend that fought me on the topic, but I will give him credit. He did his own research and he got rid of his hybrid and bought a jeep.

However most of these folks just seem to go with whatever is politically correct than dealing with reality.

Ok off my soapbox.

No, the problem is people do not think for themselves. They go with the flow, or believe everything that they hear on the news, or what their friends/society pressure them into what they think is acceptable.

[gtfoxy]

Originally Posted by CHASLT1

Guess we will need waste dumps on the moon and send them up by ship at a huge cost. No matter what we use for energy there is a bad side effect. Nuke plants cost billions and we have to deal with the waste. The power grid can't take all of us charging the cars at once and whatever is saved on fule is spent to make power so it all still ends up in the sky.

I came across a very informative video on Nuclear power.

It really was our best option until cold fusion becomes a reality.

[CHASLT1]

Originally Posted by gtfoxy

I came across a very informative video on Nuclear power.

It really was our best option until cold fusion becomes a reality.

I remember that back in 1989 i think. Nuke power is out i guess. If we could store the waste on the moon then i say go for it. We don't have much luck getting ships into orbit to be safe enough to risk it i guess.

[Chutzpah]

Originally Posted by gtfoxy

Don’t worry, no non-necessary travel for you, comrade.

Have to stick to your allotted energy rations, peasant.

This made me so much I was in tears... I needed that, thank you.

[Realist]

Originally Posted by gtfoxy

It wasn’t the flatulent, it was the actual crap.

I watched a documentary on it. IIRC it said that NY collected enough horse crap in one week to fill the Empire State Building 4 or 5 stories.

Not to mention the man hours of dealing with it.

Then there’s the shear amount they eat & the storage to house it & the horses/buggies.



Where is all the needed infrastructure money needed coming from? The power plants? The .gov, or us? With the incompetence, corruption & wastefulness of government officials it would be an unmitigated disaster.

Should electricity cost be quadruple or more to fund this solution looking for a problem when gasoline is around $2/ gal right now?

We are 20+ TRILLION in debt, our economy’s had been wrecked by fear.

What, money printer just go BRRRRRRR?

Exactly, the money has to come from taxpayers. We will be paying to string new electric wire all over this country via Government crony contracts. The Government is extremely wasteful with taxpayer money, we already pay premium rates for substandard service. Hell, E85 is already up 10% a gallon here in Illinois and only going to go up with the recent Washington change. Yeah we won’t have any gas or oil costs but you will pay more in Fed taxes, State taxes, Sales taxes, $20k more for a ZL1 EV. I say bring the EV’s, just let the market and demand control it all. No tax write offs, limited Fed Gov $’s and just let those that want them to cover a majority of the costs.

[396ssrat]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Some people have a strange hatred for Mary. Not sure where it comes from. She is an outstanding leader and widely recognized as such. Not sure if it's just sexism (comes across that way with some of the words used) or lack of knowledge how the industry actually works or politicized view of EVs (which oddly is happening all over unless you like Teslas, then it's just advanced technology).

What she is doing now is beyond bold. She recognizes that to stick your head in the sand and continue on is a path to being even more irrelevant than GM is today. On the coasts, a lot of people don't even recognize GM as a car maker.

Going BIG with EVs is a gamble. GM will have to do it better than Tesla for it to work. Cadillac, to go all in 100% EV will have to offer more, better, faster, longer range etc. than Tesla. And if GM does get an EV priced to the point that you can buy one at the equal price or less than an ICE they have a chance. But clearly doing the same thing they've done for 30 years wasn't working.

But to be clear, GM isn't doing this just to meet California regs, they are doing it to become relevant again across the board.

Do you mean she's smart? Why is she shipping technology and American jobs off to other countries? That's pretty dense if you ask me. But hey, she gets her 22 milliion per year so no harm to her, right?

[SS376]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Some people have a strange hatred for Mary. Not sure where it comes from. She is an outstanding leader and widely recognized as such. Not sure if it's just sexism (comes across that way with some of the words used) or lack of knowledge how the industry actually works or politicized view of EVs (which oddly is happening all over unless you like Teslas, then it's just advanced technology).

What she is doing now is beyond bold. She recognizes that to stick your head in the sand and continue on is a path to being even more irrelevant than GM is today. On the coasts, a lot of people don't even recognize GM as a car maker.

Going BIG with EVs is a gamble. GM will have to do it better than Tesla for it to work. Cadillac, to go all in 100% EV will have to offer more, better, faster, longer range etc. than Tesla. And if GM does get an EV priced to the point that you can buy one at the equal price or less than an ICE they have a chance. But clearly doing the same thing they've done for 30 years wasn't working.

But to be clear, GM isn't doing this just to meet California regs, they are doing it to become relevant again across the board.

I don't hate her but I think she is a bad CEO and I do think that sexism (anti-male) played a role in her getting the job over more qualified candidates.

[Petrol Head]

Originally Posted by Number 3

Nope, he left a legacy of poorly packaged cars at the expense of styling.

Styling and performance are the only reasons to buy a car.

Anything else is an appliance. Otherwise known as a beige Toyota Camry.

[17rsvert]

Do you think the killing of the Keystone pipeline or the new restrictions US energy production have anything to do with reducing green house gasses? These moves do nothing to reduce fuel usage, they only serve to force us to move product further by more expensive means, and as a country start again to rely on foreign supply. Wake up! The only goal here is to drive fossil fuel prices up, so green energy can artificially become more economical. Instead of letting the free market drive this change, it is being forced down our throats at OUR expense. And it will be expensive, not just at the pump, but in everything we consume.

[UnknownJinX]

Originally Posted by 17rsvert

Do you think the killing of the Keystone pipeline or the new restrictions US energy production have anything to do with reducing green house gasses? These moves do nothing to reduce fuel usage, they only serve to force us to move product further by more expensive means, and as a country start again to rely on foreign supply. Wake up! The only goal here is to drive fossil fuel prices up, so green energy can artificially become more economical. Instead of letting the free market drive this change, it is being forced down our throats at OUR expense. And it will be expensive, not just at the pump, but in everything we consume.

The thing is that the oil demand won't just up and change overnight. The demand is still there, the supply will just have to come from somewhere else.

It's kind of like saying that you are tired of making your own dinner. You still have to eat or you starve; the only change is that you are now eating out instead of making your own food.