2650 Supercharger in route! - Page 2

hashtag · 01-16-2019, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by laynlo15

Great numbers and I can't wait till our Magnuson 2650 comes out in the 1st quarter of 2019.

Why don’t you just get the Edelbrock 2650? It’s the same thing.

WEAPON-X · 01-17-2019, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by newchevyman

Is that something that'll be released to the public eventually...? I had a Vararam on my C6Z and always preferred their design to the other intakes on the market. Same with the gen 6 one they plan to release.

Naaa holler at me about our new gen carbon intakes coming out

WEAPON-X · 01-17-2019, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by hashtag

Why don’t you just get the Edelbrock 2650? It’s the same thing.

Same rotor pack yes, but just like my ZR1 2650 the external packaging is the same and this is where manufacturers will shine with their cfd prowess, combined with their placement of the HX bricks, flow design and cooling etc.

I agree though that despite hating the EB's designs in the past, I'm def a fan thus far! I have a twin TB inlet designed for this now that we'll start prototyping soon to do as well!

WEAPON-X · 01-17-2019, 05:42 PM

Initial inlet for cooling manifold is done, just need to model the inlets and run it through the water jet! This is the stuff we love, with a 36x36x25" 3D print table, we can print an entire engine if we wanted to and our capabilities allow us to take something from an idea to a prototype in a matter of days!

WEAPON-X · 02-02-2019, 09:30 PM

Progress is coming along! Our WEAPON-X Coolant Adapter to free up the inlets fit like a glove (not on OJ), so that is done and the lid spacer is done as well! Here is that massive IC behind our 3D printed sample version. That 36x36" table is so precise, that the AN threads screwed in :rofl:; we were impressed!

A little physics lesson, length vs. width... just like a driveshaft, the longer it is, the lower the critical speed. Supercharger rotors are no different! The 2650 uses shorter fatter lobes than most superchargers and thus it can spin to approx 25K RPM whereas most other superchargers over 2L are struggling to hit 20K RPM before they're taxed out from a bearing perspective as well as volumetric efficiency perspective as there is less of a pressure drop across shorter/larger diameter rotors.

Just so you guys can see why I'm so excited about the 2650, here is the COPO 2650 casing vs. the old gen! Just WOW.... Unfortunately, the Mustang guys throw more money at Whipples, so they get first priority as the Cobra Jets are running their new Gen 5 Whipples! Now, I will be the first to say that Whipple has a lot of new superchargers out and the next gen they're working on seem nothing short of phenomenal; however, this is more relative to the 2.3Ls down to the 1.7Ls. I was just appalled by the massive size of these new COPO Magnusons vs. the older COPO Whipples. Some little known facts, but the LT4 blower was originally a 1640 and was barely making the power it needed and was already too far down the rabbit hole to redo it, so they stretched it to a 1740 to make a little more room for power. This was the same thing that happened from the CTS V gen 2 and ZL1 gen 5's LSA blower that was stretched from a 1900 to a 2300 and that is why there wasn't as much headroom gained for a LONG time till guys figured out how to improve the LS9s airflow to make more power than the LSA blower

EDFHOBBIES · 02-02-2019, 10:03 PM

Did you port the snout if so what's the max it can open to?

ramairroughneck · 02-02-2019, 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by EDFHOBBIES

Did you port the snout if so what's the max it can open to?

What would be the benefit if the largest drive by wire throttle body available for purchase is only 103mm, the same as the opening of this blower now?

EDFHOBBIES · 02-02-2019, 11:39 PM

Care to put some money on that..

ramairroughneck · 02-02-2019, 11:41 PM

I am looking forward to the availability of your lid spacer. How soon are we likely to see it come to market?

ramairroughneck · 02-03-2019, 01:04 AM

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Originally Posted by EDFHOBBIES

Care to put some money on that..

Go ahead and be the guenea pig for us. I’m not interested in pursuing .5 horsepower per $100 spent porting

laynlo15 · 02-03-2019, 07:34 AM

We should see a 112mm coming soon.

ramairroughneck · 02-03-2019, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by laynlo15

We should see a 112mm coming soon.

Great info! I love the two throttle body approach you guys did.

WEAPON-X · 02-03-2019, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by EDFHOBBIES

Did you port the snout if so what's the max it can open to?

Unlike a factory casting that retains extra mass to keep quiet, the inlet on this is pretty open; however, we have been modeling a wild idea on the Whipples that I might transfer over to this one.

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Originally Posted by ramairroughneck

I am looking forward to the availability of your lid spacer. How soon are we likely to see it come to market?

Spring 2019

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Originally Posted by laynlo15

We should see a 112mm coming soon.

SW?

We'll have a 108 available next month if all goes as planned!

Torquem · 02-03-2019, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by WEAPON-X

Holy poop. Is that an LT4 supercharger on the left?

02-02-2019, 10:03 PM	#20
EDFHOBBIES Dyno Show Queen LOL Drives: 16 SS & 17 ZL1 Both Yellow Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Houston Posts: 4,354 View My Garage	Did you port the snout if so what's the max it can open to? __________________ Kong Ported 2650, Crawford Racing Port Injection, Weapon X 112mm Adapter, NW112mm TB, Livernois Ported LT4 Heads, Lingenfelter GT32 stealth cam, Haltech Elite, and Carbon by Trufiber

02-02-2019, 11:39 PM	#22
EDFHOBBIES Dyno Show Queen LOL Drives: 16 SS & 17 ZL1 Both Yellow Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: Houston Posts: 4,354 View My Garage	Care to put some money on that.. __________________ Kong Ported 2650, Crawford Racing Port Injection, Weapon X 112mm Adapter, NW112mm TB, Livernois Ported LT4 Heads, Lingenfelter GT32 stealth cam, Haltech Elite, and Carbon by Trufiber

01-17-2019, 05:42 PM	#18
WEAPON-X Drives: ZL1 ATS-V CTS-V C7Z Range Sport SC Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 580	Initial inlet for cooling manifold is done, just need to model the inlets and run it through the water jet! This is the stuff we love, with a 36x36x25" 3D print table, we can print an entire engine if we wanted to and our capabilities allow us to take something from an idea to a prototype in a matter of days!

02-02-2019, 09:30 PM	#19
WEAPON-X Drives: ZL1 ATS-V CTS-V C7Z Range Sport SC Join Date: Mar 2016 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 580	Progress is coming along! Our WEAPON-X Coolant Adapter to free up the inlets fit like a glove (not on OJ), so that is done and the lid spacer is done as well! Here is that massive IC behind our 3D printed sample version. That 36x36" table is so precise, that the AN threads screwed in :rofl:; we were impressed! A little physics lesson, length vs. width... just like a driveshaft, the longer it is, the lower the critical speed. Supercharger rotors are no different! The 2650 uses shorter fatter lobes than most superchargers and thus it can spin to approx 25K RPM whereas most other superchargers over 2L are struggling to hit 20K RPM before they're taxed out from a bearing perspective as well as volumetric efficiency perspective as there is less of a pressure drop across shorter/larger diameter rotors. Just so you guys can see why I'm so excited about the 2650, here is the COPO 2650 casing vs. the old gen! Just WOW.... Unfortunately, the Mustang guys throw more money at Whipples, so they get first priority as the Cobra Jets are running their new Gen 5 Whipples! Now, I will be the first to say that Whipple has a lot of new superchargers out and the next gen they're working on seem nothing short of phenomenal; however, this is more relative to the 2.3Ls down to the 1.7Ls. I was just appalled by the massive size of these new COPO Magnusons vs. the older COPO Whipples. Some little known facts, but the LT4 blower was originally a 1640 and was barely making the power it needed and was already too far down the rabbit hole to redo it, so they stretched it to a 1740 to make a little more room for power. This was the same thing that happened from the CTS V gen 2 and ZL1 gen 5's LSA blower that was stretched from a 1900 to a 2300 and that is why there wasn't as much headroom gained for a LONG time till guys figured out how to improve the LS9s airflow to make more power than the LSA blower

02-02-2019, 11:41 PM	#23
ramairroughneck Drives: 2018 Camaro SS Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 247	I am looking forward to the availability of your lid spacer. How soon are we likely to see it come to market?

02-03-2019, 07:34 AM	#25
laynlo15 Drives: 2022 Lt1 A10 Join Date: Nov 2015 Location: clark, mo Posts: 8,882	We should see a 112mm coming soon.

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