[Burly]

Originally Posted by SSport16

You can apply the Reload right after, no need to wait overnight.

I sent CarPro email earlier today about this. Here is their response:

"Thank you for your email. You would wait an hour at a minimum after Essence Extreme to do the Eraser wipe down and than you can apply Reload. Waiting until the next day to apply the Reload gives the Essence Extreme more time to cure. The reason Eraser is used after the Essence Extreme polish is to remove the mineral oils that are left behind during the polishing stage which will allow the Reload to bond better to the paint. If you do not do the Eraser wipe down than there is a possibility the Reload may not bond properly due to the oils causing it to not last as long. "

So not only should you wait longer but should do an Eraser wipe down after applying Essence. This Eraser step was also done in the video I saw.

I'm preparing to do this whole process in next week or so.

[VAZL1]

Originally Posted by DangerZL1

Sweet gum tree needs to meet Mr. Chainsaw. A weak and fast-growing tree that breaks in storms. Not to mention the horrible gum balls. Cutting one down at my last house was a wise decision.

[Joe M 2012 2SS]

Originally Posted by Burly

I sent CarPro email earlier today about this. Here is their response:


So not only should you wait longer but should do an Eraser wipe down after applying Essence. This Eraser step was also done in the video I saw.

I'm preparing to do this whole process in next week or so.

This is very strange to me. When Essence was first introduced, one of the benefits mentioned was that no Eraser wipe down was needed before applying a coating, or a sealant.

I've never done an Eraser wipe down after Essence on any car I've put it on, and have had no bonding issues whatsoever. Just wait at least an hour before applying.

EDIT: This is what it says on the Carpro Website. Eraser is ONLY needed prior to Reload or a coating if Essence is applied by hand.

2 -*Do I have to use Eraser between Essence and CQuartz?**

If your using Essence by machine and you wait until the vehicle is finished then you can apply Reload or CQuartz after you finish the vehicle starting in the same direction you polished. If you want to be ultra safe you can still Eraser but in our testings to date we have not seen any failure when we skipped Eraser.

If your using Essence by hand then we recommend you use Eraser before coating.

[Glen e]

Originally Posted by Joe M 2012 2SS

This is very strange to me. When Essence was first introduced, one of the benefits mentioned was that no Eraser wipe down was needed before applying a coating, or a sealant.

I've never done an Eraser wipe down after Essence on any car I've put it on, and have had no bonding issues whatsoever. Just wait at least an hour before applying.

I’m with Joe ....done my car twice and for five other cars that I’ve been connected with, we never used anything between the essence and the reload. They were all fine. I don’t doubt that it may be something you do when it just starting, but I don’t think it’s a huge deal if you don’t. Maybe we can get an answer from Cory, I trust him a lot more than emails…

[Joe M 2012 2SS]

Originally Posted by Glen e

I’m with Joe ....done my car twice and for five other cars that I’ve been connected with, we never used anything between the essence and the reload. They were all fine. I don’t doubt that it may be something you do when it just starting, but I don’t think it’s a huge deal if you don’t. Maybe we can get an answer from Cory, I trust him a lot more than emails…

I always do an Eraser, or IPA wipedown, before polishing with Essence Glen. I don't want any residual clay lube coming in between the Essence and the paint.

Either will work, IPA dissolves oils/residue, while Eraser lifts it off the paint so it can be wiped off. I usually use Eraser because I hate the smell of IPA.

[Burly]

I've done three cars so far and not used Eraser either, that's why I asked when I saw Cory doing this in the video. In the video he did say "very light" wipe down with Eraser. On the last car I had done the Essence seemed hazey and that's why I am second guessing the straight to Reload process.

[Joe M 2012 2SS]

Originally Posted by Burly

I've done three cars so far and not used Eraser either, that's why I asked when I saw Cory doing this in the video. In the video he did say "very light" wipe down with Eraser. On the last car I had done the Essence seemed hazey and that's why I am second guessing the straight to Reload process.

I've had Essence do this before with a foam pad. A Meguiars DMF finishing pad fixed that issue for me.

Essence will also haze if your arm movements are too fast, or the temperature is too cool. Essence needs some heat to bond.

I had a body shop paint "Euro Clear" that didn't like Essence at all. Just wouldn't bond. I used Reflect finishing polish on a Scholl Concepts Neo Spider "Honey" Pad, and it came out terrific. Just took a lot more time.

I'd like to see that video, can't find it on You Tube.

[Burly]

Originally Posted by Joe M 2012 2SS

I've had Essence do this before with a foam pad. A Meguiars DMF finishing pad fixed that issue for me.

Essence will also haze if your arm movements are too fast, or the temperature is too cool. Essence needs some heat to bond.

I had a body shop paint "Euro Clear" that didn't like Essence at all. Just wouldn't bond. I used Reflect finishing polish on a Scholl Concepts Neo Spider "Honey" Pad, and it came out terrific. Just took a lot more time.

I'd like to see that video, can't find it on You Tube.

My hazing issue was with a foam pad but ended just going over it again with a fresh finishing pad and very small amount of Essence. I thought humidity might have a had a role in it but wasn't sure.

While researching coatings I found this video, it's a part of series where they detail, polish with Essence and coat a Honda S2000 and a Ford Rator with CQuartz UK and Sio2. Corey from Carpro briefly talks about Essence in part 4.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ARm2IwpGX18

Around 6:50 he talks about the Eraser step and after watching it again, I think he means if you don't break it down enough or maybe use too much?

[oneredry]

I used to be a detailer that put me through college, from that I've gained so much and made me probably as anal as what I am today. (sometimes to obsessive) But all this blows my freakin mind.

[SSport16]

Originally Posted by Burly

I sent CarPro email earlier today about this. Here is their response:


So not only should you wait longer but should do an Eraser wipe down after applying Essence. This Eraser step was also done in the video I saw.

I'm preparing to do this whole process in next week or so.

Thanks for the info...thought the big selling point of Essence was no need for a wipe down, whether it be Eraser or an IPA wipe down...interesting. May try that next time.

[SSport16]

Originally Posted by Burly

I've done three cars so far and not used Eraser either, that's why I asked when I saw Cory doing this in the video. In the video he did say "very light" wipe down with Eraser. On the last car I had done the Essence seemed hazey and that's why I am second guessing the straight to Reload process.

It does get hazy sometimes, even if you use a small amount. I have done IPA wipe downs to get rid of the haze before applying Reload, just depends if there is haze or not.

[Glen e]

This is very concerning to me, because it now makes the essence /reload combo, more difficult, and more lengthy, and violates one of my prerequisites of being easy and fast. I’d really like to get an answer on this. I’ve never got a haze from using essence, usually do it in 72°, in the shade, with a medium pad and then wait an hour before I reload.

I am understanding that essence has SIO2, are’nt you just taking all that off when you use a stripper? If you strip it off, why is it better than Megguires 205, or any other finishing polish? Something is weird here.

I did a side-by-side on my trunk months ago between the blackfire stuff and the carpro stuff, to this day I can’t see a damn bit of difference, they’re both wearing well. I may go back to blackfire if we get an answer that a stripper is needed here, Because I can go from blackfire total polish and seal, straight to blackfire crystal seal, with no wait whatsoever. At my age, with my bad back, easy, while still being effective, is the priority.

Let’s see what this thread says:

https://www.autogeekonline.net/forum...35#post1541735

[oneredry]

well glen we will see and please keep us posted. I already bought those products from yesterdays cyber sale, so I hope it all wasn't a wast.

[Glen e]

Originally Posted by oneredry

well glen we will see and please keep us posted. I already bought those products from yesterdays cyber sale, so I hope it all wasn't a wast.

In no way is it a waste… I’m just picky about what was told to me versus now what is adding an extra step. There still killer products even if you do have to do an alcohol/ water wipe down which takes 15 minutes. For me it’s more the principle of the thing.

PS. I just checked with my guru on the West Coast of Florida that is a master detailer and actually gave me my first bottle of essence. He’s not doing any ipa wipe down between essence and reload either. And never seen any haze.