[Hypertrophy]

Originally Posted by DanSS24

Silence...............then...........

LOL, Well played sir!

[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by Hypertrophy

I tried to stir things up with a strategically timed/placed question about drivetrain comparisons to the new CTS-V (of which we know more about), but no one bit. Nobody really cares what kind of torque the drive train can handle accept me. It just seemed like the beefed up drivetrain of the 5th gen ZL1 was kind of a big deal.

It's a good question, if you plan on power mods. I'm surprised it didn't get any traction, but for me...nah 650 is enough, and I have to assume it will come with drivetrain to handle it .

I was more thinking it was quiet with regards to news from GM, or more videos etc. I guess the only thing left for them to reveal is production specs and pricing? Maybe they will do all that in one shot...

[OldJedi]

Originally Posted by avalonandl

Thats because there is NO NEWS.

There was an SAE dinner in detroit about a month ago and they discussed the 2016 Camaro, engineering, design etc. When asked about the ZL1 they said wait till next fall for more info.........

I'm not sure we will hear much more in the way of hard facts before Sept. - Oct. Production won't start on 1LE's until maybe Nov. and ZL1's not until Dec. or Jan. The magazines will not get the preliminary media cars until Sept. for magazine release in December. None of this is based on ANY kind of fact, just my opinion based on previous model releases.

[Mister Will]

Originally Posted by OldJedi

I'm not sure we will hear much more in the way of hard facts before Sept. - Oct. Production won't start on 1LE's until maybe Nov. and ZL1's not until Dec. or Jan. The magazines will not get the preliminary media cars until Sept. for magazine release in December. None of this is based on ANY kind of fact, just my opinion based on previous model releases.

I was hoping the first of June (today) they would release pricing. No such luck.

I may just take a week or two off then return to have something to read. There just isn't anything to talk about since their is no new information on car that do not exist to the public.

But not to worry. When the car is available, there will be ordering information, and probably pricing. By the time we can buy one, all of our questions will be answered.

It's only June.

[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by OldJedi

I'm not sure we will hear much more in the way of hard facts before Sept. - Oct. Production won't start on 1LE's until maybe Nov. and ZL1's not until Dec. or Jan. The magazines will not get the preliminary media cars until Sept. for magazine release in December. None of this is based on ANY kind of fact, just my opinion based on previous model releases.

so when they say "available Fall 2016", they mean Spring or Summer of 2017?

I'm just curious where you are getting your information because a December production start would mean cars hitting lots by late Feb or March - so...where you getting this info or on what are you basing your statement?

BTW, the mobile site for Chevy says ZL1 "Available Mid 2016", probably not something to take to the bank, but hey - it's something.

[triggerjerk]

Well SS owners are still waiting on that "Early/Spring '16" cold air kit from GMPP.

[Heavymetal454]

I was thinking the same thing. No news. For awhile there was always something new. NYAS, the reveal video, Nurburgring, spy shots etc. very quiet. Too quiet. Al said we have a whole summer of testing. I didn't like that comment. The product specialist said maybe Xmas. I didn't like that comment either. The website said late 2016 which then changed to Fall 2016. I liked that a bit better. The playbook says ordering starts Q3. I like that but realistically that's July 1st. I'm standing by my prediction. November 1st I take delivery. Place your bets!

[OldJedi]

Originally Posted by DenverTaco07

so when they say "available Fall 2016", they mean Spring or Summer of 2017?

I'm just curious where you are getting your information because a December production start would mean cars hitting lots by late Feb or March - so...where you getting this info or on what are you basing your statement?

BTW, the mobile site for Chevy says ZL1 "Available Mid 2016", probably not something to take to the bank, but hey - it's something.

I really wish my opinion was based on 'hard' facts but it is not. I'm going by previous release dates on 1LE and ZL1 models. It is just my gut opinion that 1LE will proceed ZL1 by a month or two. When the 2012 ZL1 models were going to be released in late 2011, orders were started in Nov. and production started last week of Dec. and after the new year. There was a long QC and shipments did not start till Feb.2012. Take my opinion with a grain of salt because if I was in the loop, I would be restricted from telling you. It is just an old farts opinion.

[DGthe3]

This is why I don't like the long drawn out intro process. There is a lot more time between reveal and production than can ever be filled with worthwhile information. And so there are long waits where there is nothing happening on our end.

Show the car when its ready to order, not 6 months out.

Originally Posted by Heavymetal454

I was thinking the same thing. No news. For awhile there was always something new. NYAS, the reveal video, Nurburgring, spy shots etc. very quiet. Too quiet. Al said we have a whole summer of testing. I didn't like that comment.

They test as long as they possible can. Start of production is pretty much a fixed date. It can be delayed if needed, but it can't really be pulled forward. So if they stopped testing tomorrow it wouldn't get a car in your driveway any sooner. It would just mean that you'd have a worse car.

Originally Posted by Heavymetal454

The product specialist said maybe Xmas. I didn't like that comment either.

Where did he say that, what was the context? Was he talking about the start of ordering, production, deliveries? Was it an off the cuff remark?

Originally Posted by Heavymetal454

The website said late 2016 which then changed to Fall 2016. I liked that a bit better.

Fall 2016 is late 2016. So is part of Summer 2016 & a little bit of winter.

Originally Posted by Heavymetal454

The playbook says ordering starts Q3. I like that but realistically that's July 1st.

September 30th is also Q3.

Originally Posted by Heavymetal454

I'm standing by my prediction. November 1st I take delivery. Place your bets!

I predict that you will not be taking delivery on November 1st. To get your car that early production would need to begin early in Q4, you would need to be one of the first people getting their car built, and there would need to be a minimal hold after production starts. The likelihood of any one of those things happening is somewhat low, the likelihood of all of them happening together is much lower.

Maybe by Christmas ...

[Heavymetal454]

[QUOTE=DGthe3;9126968]This is why I don't like the long drawn out intro process. There is a lot more time between reveal and production than can ever be filled with worthwhile information. And so there are long waits where there is nothing happening on our end.

Show the car when its ready to order, not 6 months out.
Judging by the response to nearly everything I've said you obviously have strong opinions as well.
1. If Al said we have a whole summer of testing I take that as evidence that the car won't achieve SAE numbers till then. No worry. More is better.
2. The product specialists all said Xmas of this year. The context was exactly that, nothing more than a comment and a smile.
3. I don't like playing games with words like late, end, mid, fall, halfway, part, etc. I take mid 2016 to mean summer cuz that is the middle. Late being changed to the word Fall suggests an earlier date. I like honesty. Just say December and stick to that.
4. The playbook said Q3 that means no sooner than July but thanks for pointing out the end of Q3 too. Sheesh. Somebody said June 1st. Feel free to add the extra day for leap year while you're at it.
5. I still believe ordering will be available sometime during Q3 which means having a car in November would be possible. If it doesn't happen than I'll park it in the garage and pray for an early thaw. A guy can dream can't he.

Everyone has their own idea about what is going to happen. Until I'm wrong, I'll continue to believe what I want. As a matter of fact, the difference between knowing you're right and proving you're right is effort. I'm kind of lazy so I'll be content to wait and see.

[GoneBoy]

Guys, it could be a lot worse. Like many of ya'll, I want this car in my garage like yesterday, so I share the frustration of everyone. But look at the cup being half full. The oval boys have had their 6th gen a full year ahead of us, and all they have is the 350. They don't even have any spy shots of the gt500. And us...we have the zl1, 1le, 50th anniversary edition all coming out for 2017. We have ring videos sans camo of the zl1 that were released just few weeks ago. So maybe we should just chill a bit, as hard as that may be.

The only thing we lack now are performance data, specs, and price. For the data and specs, it really doesn't do any good to release that info any earlier than necessary because it only gives its competition a few extra months to benchmark their preproduction vehicles against the zl1. Additionally, if the zl1 is gonna surpass 650hp which one may assume means the 2017 z06 will get a bump too, sales of the '16 z06 may be slightly thwarted. As for the price, what difference does it make whether we have that info now or the day that they open the ordering books?? It doesn't because you can't do jack with that info until we can actually build/order our cars. The only thing you can do is decide whether to eye another car because GM hiked the price too aggressively. Personally, whether prices start at $60k or $70k, it'll still be the best performance car value with a back seat that money can buy.

So gents, we only have a few more months before begin you playing with hell kitties, hitting up the road courses, visiting the drag strip, checking with your dmv to ensure your vanity tag is still available, or doing whatever it is you wanna do with your beast. In the overall scheme of things, that's not that long. gt500 prospects would absolutely love to be where we are now.

[DenverTaco07]

Originally Posted by DGthe3

This is why I don't like the long drawn out intro process. There is a lot more time between reveal and production than can ever be filled with worthwhile information. And so there are long waits where there is nothing happening on our end.

Show the car when its ready to order, not 6 months out.

Maybe by Christmas ...

I have to agree with not liking the slow roll but probably an industry-must-do kinda thing, at least for performance cars? Maybe helps with keeping some market share vs. losing folks to new Mustangs or something.

All well said, you are right that the vagueness of the statements by GM means wide possibilities. I'm still hopeful we see delivery by September but I know that is serious wishful thinking. Maybe GM likes a slow production start in the beginning and winter helps with that...otherwise in what world is it a good idea to roll out a RWD performance beast in December?? Granted Six was late as well but maybe had more to do with plant changing locations.

Anyway, yes we are all waiting and I can wait (already waited 2 years), but it would be nice to have some concrete info to go on vs. the vague and differing tidbits we are getting.

cheers.

[hrpiii]

Originally Posted by GoneBoy

Guys, it could be a lot worse. Like many of ya'll, I want this car in my garage like yesterday, so I share the frustration of everyone. But look at the cup being half full. The oval boys have had their 6th gen a full year ahead of us, and all they have is the 350. They don't even have any spy shots of the gt500. And us...we have the zl1, 1le, 50th anniversary edition all coming out for 2017. We have ring videos sans camo of the zl1 that were released just few weeks ago. So maybe we should just chill a bit, as hard as that may be.

The only thing we lack now are performance data, specs, and price. For the data and specs, it really doesn't do any good to release that info any earlier than necessary because it only gives its competition a few extra months to benchmark their preproduction vehicles against the zl1. Additionally, if the zl1 is gonna surpass 650hp which one may assume means the 2017 z06 will get a bump too, sales of the '16 z06 may be slightly thwarted. As for the price, what difference does it make whether we have that info now or the day that they open the ordering books?? It doesn't because you can't do jack with that info until we can actually build/order our cars. The only thing you can do is decide whether to eye another car because GM hiked the price too aggressively. Personally, whether prices start at $60k or $70k, it'll still be the best performance car value with a back seat that money can buy.

So gents, we only have a few more months before begin you playing with hell kitties, hitting up the road courses, visiting the drag strip, checking with your dmv to ensure your vanity tag is still available, or doing whatever it is you wanna do with your beast. In the overall scheme of things, that's not that long. gt500 prospects would absolutely love to be where we are now.

This is an internet forum, we don't have any use for someone with logic, understanding, and reasoning.

We just love information, especially about something we truly want to know more about. In this age of immediate electronic information, it makes it more difficult to 'wait'... and I swear if Al said "soon", he would be shanked.

[avalonandl]

GM is ironing out the bugs: They have a new 10 speed auto, calibrations on the LT4 to keep it off the gas guzzler, ramp up production, suppliers, etc.

These cars are complicated....